Ideanomics, Inc. (NASDAQ:IDEX) Q4 2021, Q1 & Q2 2022 Earnings Conference Call September 9, 2022 8:30 AM ET
Company Participants
Tony Sklar – Senior Vice President of Investor Relations
Alf Poor – Chief Executive Officer
Robin Mackie – President of Ideanomics Mobility
Conor McCarthy – Chief Financial Officer
Livia Cevolini – CEO of Energica
Bob Purcell – CEO of VIA Motors
Conference Call Participants
Andres Sheppard – Cantor Fitzgerald
Operator
Welcome to the Ideanomics Investor Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.
For opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to Tony Sklar, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations at Ideanomics. Please go ahead, sir.
Tony Sklar
Thank you very much. And thank you, everyone, from many different time zones for joining us today on the Ideanomics conference call. Joining me today as well, I am pleased to have Mr. Alf Poor, the Chief Executive Officer; Mr. Robin Mackie, the President of Ideanomics Mobility; Mr. Conor McCarthy, Chief Financial Officer; and we’ve got some special guests for you today on today’s call, Mr. Bob Purcell, CEO of VIA Motors; and of course, the greatness of Cevolini, Livia Cevolini, the CEO of Energica.
A webcast of today’s call will be archived and available on the Events and Presentations section of the corporate website for a minimum of 30 days. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded.
During the call, we will make forward-looking statements such as dialogue regarding our revenue expectations or forecasts for the remaining quarters and the full fiscal year for 2022 and 2023. These statements are based off of our current expectations and information available as of today and are subject to a variety of risks, uncertainties and assumptions. Actual results may differ materially, and as a result of various risk factors that have been described in our periodic filings with the SEC. As a result, we caution you against placing undue reliance on the forward-looking statements. We assume no obligation to make any updates to the forward-looking statements as a result of any new information or future events, except as required by law.
In addition, other risks are more fully described in the Ideanomics public filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and which can be found at www.sec.gov.
Today, September 9, 2022, the company has filed with the SEC its Form 10-Qs for Q1 and Q2 2022, which was a follow-on from the company’s filings of its Form 10-K reporting its Q4 and full year 2021 results on September 2, 2022. Afterwards, the company has issued press releases announcing those financial results. So participants on this call who may not already done, so may wish to look at those documents as we provide a summary of those results on this call.
The format for today’s call will be as followed: Mr. Alf Poor will begin our comments today and speak to the company’s progress and strategic development. Mr. Robin Mackie will speak to the company’s operating activities in Mobility and the progress made since our last earnings call, including remarks from our special guests today on the call, which Ms. Livia Cevolini of Energica; and of course, Mr. Bob Purcell, CEO of VIA Motors. Mr. Conor McCarthy will speak to the company’s operating and financial results for 2021 and the first two quarters of 2022. And then once again, Mr. Alf Poor will make management’s closing remarks, which will be followed by our Q&A.
It is now my pleasure to hand over the floor to Mr. Alf Poor, Ideanomics’ CEO.
Alf Poor
Thank you, Tony. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our earnings call. It’s been a long time since we’re able to properly address our investor community. And I’d like to thank all of our shareholders for their patience this year. We were put in an unfortunate position where we had to take decisive measures to appoint a new audit firm in July of this year. We did this to ensure we could conclude our audit in the timeframe that protects the company and its shareholders. Thanks to Grassi and thanks to our other accounting advisors and our finance team for their support and dedication in what was an enormous effort for all involved, covering not just the working week but also many nights of the weekend to help us restore our ability to make our timely filings going forward.
Putting that behind us, I am delighted to welcome you all to this very important results presentation. Ideanomics is at the forefront of EV with mature products, technologies and the talent to stand out in a crowded industry. In the coming weeks, we’re going to be asking our shareholders to support us in completing the VIA Motors transaction that will expand the Ideanomics’ family further. This deal brings full OEM capabilities to our group in new vehicle classes and partnering with the VIA management opens up the market further for Ideanomics and its shareholders.
Over the last two years, we have moved aggressively to transform our business. And as a result, we have maturing onshore revenues to reflect the successful changes we made through both organic and acquisition-led growth. Our story today and into the future continues to be one of growth, growth in terms of products with strong market fit, growth in terms of revenues and growth in terms of order pipeline across our businesses. We have reached this point, thanks for the efforts of the entire Ideanomics team, and I thank them for that.
I would particularly like to mention at this time our team members in Ukraine. They have been under an immense amount of dues over these past few months, and we are grateful for all that they do for Ideanomics.
As you will hear from Robin Mackie shortly, some of our key brands such as Solectrac and Energica are already experiencing growth. And currently, every vehicle that they can produce is already sold. So we’re seeing strong demand for our products. VIA Motors is finalizing its plans for selecting a home for its production facilities with class-leading vehicles that are going to be in high demand in the fast-growing local delivery sector.
Our energy and charging products are seeing demand across the board as fleets begin investing in the infrastructure they’ll need to keep their vehicles on the road. And Ideanomics is supporting the financing of our vehicle and charging products with a range of leasing and pioneering as-a-Service programs through Ideanomics Capital.
On the accounting side, you’ll see a number of impairments in our 10-K numbers, which Conor will take you through shortly. These are a reflection of the general pullback in the EV sector and the resulting valuation adjustments we have taken primarily against goodwill and intangible assets. I want to emphasize that these are noncash GAAP accounting adjustments that management considered appropriate given EV valuations in the public markets.
Despite those valuation adjustments, which we consider part of the ebb and flow of economic cycles, we continue to invest in our businesses and the underlying technologies that we consider differentiate our products and deliver value to our customer audience. Ultimately, Ideanomics future is based on its customers’ wants and needs. We have frequent customer validations on the benefit of bringing vehicles, charging and financing solutions under one roof. They are excited to work with us because we are the only one-stop partner to reduce the complexity they have to navigate around the commercial adoption of electric vehicles.
Thanks to our customer-centric business model, I expect only growth as our operations mature and the industry expands from the Inflation Reduction Act and Infrastructure Bill.
I’ll hand you over to Robin now for further remarks on the progress we’re seeing within our EV businesses.
Robin Mackie
Thank you, Alf. I want to begin my remarks by saying it’s a privilege to work with all of the amazing companies that we have in the Ideanomics family. The people, the technology the products we deliver are all outstanding. In the last 12 months since I officially joined the company have been and continue to be very exciting.
This year, a key objective of mine has been execution and ensuring Ideanomics delivers value to its shareholders. As part of this thought focus, we have seen encouraging collaboration across the organization, improving planning and forecasting and implementing cost controls, ensuring our investors’ capital is being applied where it can be most effective in generating long-term value.
As a result of this focus, we’ve been consistently growing our EV-related revenue which includes charging, batteries and related services. You will see in our filings that in 2020, we reported just under $20 million in EV revenue. In 2021, that nearly doubled to $39.9 million. In just the first two quarters of this year, we’ve already surpassed our 2021 figure with just over $40 million in EV-related revenue and we’re expecting further growth in 2023.
As Alf mentioned, we have continued to evolve our organization based on our customer needs. As a result, we now market our EV products through three primary channels: Ideanomics Mobility, Capital and Energy. Ideanomics Mobility is our home to our commercial vehicle products and technologies. The core market segments we target are off-highway, on-highway and two-wheelers. In the off-highway segment, we are seeing tremendous progress from Solectrac, our electric tractor company. They’ve expanded their dealer network in important agricultural markets, including California, the Southeast, the Midwest and the Pacific Northwest, and this work is paying off.
In just quarter one and quarter two of this year, Solectrac nearly doubled its full year 2021 revenue. And barring major supply chain challenges through the end of this year, 2022 is on track for even greater revenue growth versus 2021, with consistent revenue expected in quarter three and quarter four.
Further, the company plans to offer models with the first being introduced by quarter three 2023. We anticipate Solectrac business continuing to grow as it requires new equipment to increase its throughput and with an expectation of doubling its revenues in 2023.
In our on-highway and last mile delivery segment, we anticipate VIA playing a major role once the transaction is completed. Bob Purcell will speak in more detail about the progress of VIA in a few minutes. U.S. Hybrid had a change in management earlier this year. And under the stewardship of its new Interim CEO, Macy Neshati, is gaining further traction in the specialist vehicle market with increasing sales to GEP, an existing customer that provides street sweeper technologies; and interest from markets in cargo handling such as ports and airports; and the launch of its parallel hybrid natural gas powertrain for drayage and long-haul trucks.
Additionally, U.S. Hybrid’s fuel cell division is seeing an increased interest in the hydrogen fuel cell engine technology for range extender applications. We anticipate this interest to represent increased quarter-over-quarter revenue growth for U.S. Hybrid in the latter half of this year and for their revenue to more than double in 2023. Given this expanded presence in the specialist vehicle market and shifts in geopolitical landscape, favoring made in the U.S. vehicles, we have decided to incorporate Medici into U.S. Hybrid specialist vehicle division.
Our two-wheeler segment has been enjoying some excellent growth as well. As you’ll be hearing from Livia Cevolini shortly, Energica has been quickly expanding its dealer network and its product line. It is also expanding its production facilities to produce more its motorbikes to meet market demand. This is resulting in strong revenue growth.
For Treeletrik, we anticipate large orders in Indonesia has continued to experience the laggings. We are meeting with representatives from the Indonesian government in New York later this month to discuss this and other opportunities. With their help and with Energica’s technology, we’re looking to update Treeletrik’s offering and finally unlock the order interest in the ASEAN market.
As plans, our company’s transition from being early stage and project-orientated to being product focused, we have begun to invest in series production facilities and the supply chain to support increased volume. The associated management discipline placed us in a position to better predict future production levels and revenues as evidenced by both Solectrac and Energica’s anticipated future growth.
Next, I’d like to discuss Ideanomics Capital. Acquiring electric vehicles and installing charging infrastructure is capital-intensive. Most customers prefer not to employ capital to support the transition to EV. I would prefer to see the costs as part of an operating expense. Ideanomics Capital will make this possible. Our Capital team is focused on helping customers to navigate the complex process of financing both equipment and vehicles by moving the expense from CapEx to OpEx so they can electrify today.
By using as-a-Service models, we plan to secure predictable recurring revenues with long-term subscriptions. We’ve begun seeing increased interest in these as-a-Service models, which I will speak more of it in a few minutes.
And finally, Ideanomics Energy. We began development of Ideanomics Energy earlier this year, and it is on plan with several subscription-based projects already secured with several more in the pipeline for 2023. We’re seeing strong interest for commercial vehicle dealerships, hotel and hospitality venues and fleet operators looking for support in planning, installation and financing of their charging and energy equipment. We anticipate Ideanomics Energy signing a number of new as-a-Service deals that require some upfront planning and installation effort and costs that will represent predictable recurring revenue in 2023 and beyond.
Ideanomics Energy offers turnkey charging storage and generation solutions from our in-house technologies and third-party partners. These solutions include high power wireless charging from WAVE and bold new concepts like containerized DC fast charging from our PEA investment.
A recent example of this early progress is our nice partnership with Coast Counties Peterbilt, a group of Peterbilt truck dealerships in California. Ideanomics Energy will provide energy generation storage at DC fast charging to several of their locations financed by Ideanomics Capital.
I’d like to expand a little on WAVE’s progress to date. WAVE continues its transition from being a project-based technology development business underpinned by [federal] funding to a business working directly with customers on commercial deployments. The primary market focus for WAVE has been transit and port operators and is now expanding out into logistics industry showcasing its perpetual operations advantage over cable-based charging. It is expected that the passing of the Inflation Reduction Act will accelerate these customer adoption of this ground-breaking technology.
WAVE has typically seen a 12- to 18-month sales cycle for new customers. So based on our efforts over the last year, we’re expecting to see an increase in WAVE revenue in the later quarters of this year and anticipate WAVE revenue to more than double in 2023. One example of this progress is a proof-of-concept project WAVE has secured with a well-known e-commerce company. We’re planning the timing to showcase the project with an announcement in conjunction with the customer in the future. But I’m pleased to inform you the deal is signed, contains the option to scale the project to additional facilities and represents proof of the applicability of our as-a-Service model. It will involve the customer using WAVE in a noble way as part of the distribution center operations, underpinned by another service business model. WAVE’s charging apparatus and vehicles from partner OEMs and vehicle classes outside of our offering will be provided to the customer underwritten by Ideanomics Capital on a subscription basis for a fixed monthly fee per vehicle. This is the future direction of vehicle financing and flexible fleet management operations, with a fleet operator providing only the energy of the driver and Ideanomics is at the forefront of this innovation.
By organizing our business into three verticals: Mobility, Capital and Energy and leveraging technologies and knowhow from our individual companies, we are beginning to see the collaboration evolve between organizations, unlocking the full potential of Alf’s vision for Ideanomics. I’d like to share a few examples.
First, Solectrac identified the critical business need to increase tractor visibility on showroom floors. It partnered with Ideanomics Capital to create an attractive dealer floor plan financing program. Result is enhanced Solectrac visibility, which, as I mentioned earlier, has resulted in significant increased sales.
Next, like our peers in the industry, we’ve been affected by supply chain shortages. Ideanomics uses our experience in purchasing power to help our operating companies better navigate the supply chain. Having an experienced centralized supply chain team will continue to help our operating companies navigate these challenging times in a cost-effective way.
Finally, while the first two examples were more short-term and tactical in nature, but nevertheless, important, I wanted to provide a glimpse into a longer-term strategic initiative. Part of our objective in acquiring Energica was to leverage the proprietary technologies and experience as a new line of business. The Energica engineering team has already begun work with Solectrac to develop its next generation of tractors. Energica’s proprietary motor inverter, vehicle control units and battery systems will be a unique advantage to Solectrac’s new tractor development programs. Solectrac and Energica are working together on this project in conjunction with Ideanomics’ new in-housed automotive and industrial design team.
The images you see on screen are just a glimpse since the work the teams have been developing together. These are the first of several collaborative initiatives across the Ideanomics family. I’m excited to be able to speak more about these in the coming quarters.
Before I end my remarks, I’ve already mentioned some of the externalities like supply chain that will continue to affect our business and the entire industry for the foreseeable future. As part of managing these externalities and ensuring we are being good stewards of our investors’ capital, we’ve been engaging in a rigorous cost control exercise across the company, ensuring that our capital is being used where it will be most effective in generating value and return on investment.
Even as we see the supply chain begin to recover, we need to be careful not to overcommit and ensure we continue to be good stewards of that capital.
With that, I’d like to introduce Livia Cevolini, CEO of Energica. Livia was supposed to join us live for this call, but unfortunately, tested positive for COVID. And so, recorded this update for us in advance. I wish her a swift and complete recovery. Livia?
Livia Cevolini
Thank you, Robin. I’m happy to join you today to speak about Energica and some of the progress we’ve made since joining the Ideanomics family in Q1 of this year. Over the last few months, we have greatly expanded our dealer footprint in the U.S. and around the world to 120 dealers and have already begun seeing increased sales as a result.
In the first half of this year, we have nearly doubled our revenue compared to the first half of 2021. As part of our geographic expansion, we are beginning to work with Treeletrik as our after sales support partner for the ASEAN region, and we are developing joint sales strategies for Energica products.
In June, we unveiled our newest spike the Energica Experia a green tourer that like our entire lineup of models offers the longest range and fastest charges of any electric motorcycle on the market. The launch has been a huge success with the Experia receiving rave reviews from across the motorcycle press. There has been tremendous demand for the bike. We have presales for hundreds of units of this model alone and are working towards further expansion of our production capacity to support the demand.
Like the rest of the EV industry, supply chain has been a challenge with some key components only be available in limited quantities but we continue to work with the Ideanomics team to address these challenges as they arise.
Earlier, Robin mentioned our project with Solectrac. This is the first project for our new Energica Inside business unit that is taking our advanced technologies and applying them to other industries. Starting within the Ideanomics family was a logical first step, and I’m excited to see our technology apply to the new tractors that Solectrac is developing.
We have seen strong interest from several other markets, including aerospace, marine and global motorcycle OEMs with known competing products, looking to apply Energica’s technology to their electrification projects.
In closing, I’m very proud of what our team has accomplished to-date. I’m looking forward to updating you more about our progress in the coming quarters.
Thank you for your time today. I hand the conversation back to Robin.
Robin Mackie
Thanks, Livia. I would now like to introduce Bob Purcell, CEO of VIA Motors.
Bob Purcell
Thank you, Robin. Well, since our last investor update call in June, we’ve continued to work toward building our pre-production prototype vehicles and have begun preparation to move forward toward manufacturing both our modular skateboard and our vehicles. I wanted to share a few specific updates with you on that process.
We have further strengthened the VIA executive leadership team by appointing Martin Horneck as our Chief Operating Officer. Martin has decades of experience in automotive operations including manufacturing, supply chain and logistics. Prior to joining VIA, he was the Head of North American Purchasing and Supply Chain for Stellantis. Martin’s experience is already proving extremely helpful as we execute final development and initial production of our products.
We have also recently opened our new VIA headquarters and technical center in the Detroit area. The center consolidates our Detroit-based team with sufficient space to support system and vehicle level development. Also hiring the right experience talent is always key, and we want to maintain a strong engineering presence in the heart of the U.S. automotive industry to ensure we continue to hire the best people.
And finally, we’re continuing the process of selecting an appropriate manufacturing site for production of our vehicles. We have now shortlisted three sites for final consideration. Similar to what Alf and Robin said earlier about Ideanomics, shaping its business around customer needs, close collaboration with customers has been central to how VIA has designed its platform in vehicles with direct voice of the customer input shaping our portfolio.
Over the past few months, we continue to engage in active discussion with target customers. These customers fall into two primary categories: fleet operators who are looking to electrify their fleets and would purchase VIA vehicles to do so and strategic partners who are interested in our modular skateboard platform as a way to accelerate their product evolution towards EVs. With the passing of the Inflation Reduction Act, we are seeing an increased interest and demand from these customers. We believe we are at a crucial pivot point in the shift towards commercial EVs.
In closing, I’d like you to please think of VIA Motors as more than just another truck company. We are a solution provider for a sustainable future. VIA delivers functional, reliable, durable electric work trucks that are preferred by drivers and have an attractive total cost of ownership. Shareholder approval of the Ideanomics acquisition of VIA is a key next step to enable us to create a true leadership position in the commercial electric vehicle sector. And I look forward to being part of the Ideanomics synergistic portfolio that Robin described a few minutes ago.
Thank you for your time, and now back to you, Robin.
Robin Mackie
Thanks, Bob, for that insightful and exciting update. We’re all really, really happy to close the transaction and formally welcome VIA into the Ideanomics family.
I’ll hand the conversation back to Tony. Thank you.
Tony Sklar
Thank you very much, Robin, and thank you, Livia Cevolini, the CEO of Energica; and Mr. Bob Purcell, the CEO of VIA Motors. Fantastic to have you on today’s call.
Now it’s my pleasure to hand the floor over to Conor McCarthy, CFO, who will take us through the financials in more detail and then followed on by Alf Poor, who will give us our more closing remarks.
Conor McCarthy
Thank you, Tony. Good morning. Revenue for the year was $114.1 million, an increase of $87.3 million or more than 300% compared to 2020. Revenue for the first quarter of 2022 were $25.4 million, a decrease of $4.5 million or 15.2% from the first quarter of 2021. Revenues for the second quarter of 2022 were $34.2 million, an increase of $4.1 million or 13.5% from the second quarter of 2021. Revenue from the U.S. increased from $1.6 million in 2020 to $84.3 million in 2021. Revenue from the U.S. decreased from $26.9 million in the first quarter of ’21 — 2021 to $11.8 million in the first quarter of 2022. The decrease was principally due to lower revenues from Timios, our title and escrow agency business.
Revenue from the U.S. decreased from $25 million in the second quarter of 2021 to $14.4 million in the second quarter of 2022. Again, the decrease was principally due to lower revenues from Timios, our title and escrow agency business.
Our gross profit for 2021 was $23.2 million, which represented a gross margin of 20.4%. Gross profit for 2020 was $2.1 million. For the first quarter of ’22, gross profit was $0.02 million as compared to $10.8 million in the first quarter of 2021. The gross margin for the first quarter of 2021 was 0.8%. For the second quarter of 2022, gross profit was $1.5 million as compared to $9 million in the second quarter of 2021. The gross margin for the second quarter of 2022 was 4.4%.
Operating expenses for 2021 was $282.8 million as compared to $97.7 million in 2020, an increase of $185.1 million. The 2021 operating expense includes noncash expenses of $101 million for goodwill impairments and $71 million for asset impairments. The loss from operations in 2021 was $259 million as compared to $95.6 million in 2020. The increased loss is almost entirely due to goodwill and intangible asset impairments which Alf has already discussed.
For the second quarter of 2022, operating expenses were $39.3 million as compared to $23.7 million in the first quarter of 2021. The increase was principally as a result of the increased SG&A charges of $37.1 million.
Loss from operations for the first quarter of 2022 was $39.3 million. We ended the first quarter of 2022 with $171 million of cash on the balance sheet. For the second quarter of 2022, operating expenses were $42.3 million as compared to $19.1 million in the second quarter of 2021. The increase was principally as a result of increased SG&A charges of $38.8 million. The loss from operations for the first quarter of 2022 was $40.8 million. We ended the second quarter of 2022 with $85.5 million of cash on the balance sheet.
This year has been one of continued development as we build out a world-leading, fully integrated EV business.
With that, I’ll turn it back over to Alf.
Alf Poor
Thank you, Conor. I’d like to spend the next couple of minutes before the Q&A discussing the value of being an Ideanomics investor and how management interests are fully aligned with those of our investors.
Ideanomics has some of the most exciting technology and products in the EV sector, from high-power wireless charging to Energica’s superbike and soon VIA’s skateboard-based vehicles. We have what the industry needs, from both the customer and a strategic partner perspective. Currently, that increased value in our business is not reflected in our share price and does not reflect the value of these businesses to the EV industry. I can say this with confidence since after announcing the VIA deal and after completing the deal to bring Energica off the Milan Exchange, both of which were huge wins for the Ideanomics family and its shareholders, our share price didn’t move up. It even went down.
Today, the company has almost zero debt, broadening EV revenues on a clear growth trajectory and products that are receiving industry and media acclaim. Our Energica bikes are used in recent Hollywood movies and Solectrac’s tractor will be similarly making an appearance in an upcoming TV series.
Why are these show — why are these production companies showcasing our products? It’s simple because moving from TV often depicts the future, and they need to show relevant products for their storylines. They choose our products because they are the future, and they are available now. Revenue growth, low debt ratios, media recognition, these are some of the fundamental indicators investors should be looking for in a growth sector like EV. The large fleet customers have been eager to test and validate but we’re waiting for the government to step up the subsidies and grants promise to help pay for the move over to zero-emission transportation. It’s not a coincidence that WAVE secured the as-a-Service deal Robin mentioned earlier, shortly after the Inflation Reduction Act was passed. This is a deal that the WAVE team began working on prior to our acquisition in late 2020.
Why now? It’s simple. The fleets now understand what government support they will receive, where they didn’t before. Now that deal is signed, we expect other deals in our pipeline to follow.
The time is finally here. We have made the acquisitions and investments in the people, companies and products that will see us capture our share of the market. Our businesses are gelling and working effectively together so we can reach profitability more efficiently than others in the sector. We’ve got our bases covered from batteries to drivetrains to charging systems and the maturity in our tech to minimize warranty exposure. These are the elements you need to succeed in EV and succeed, we will, whether VIA Motors, Energica, WAVE, Solectrac or the other exciting companies within the Ideanomics family, all of our products are built on proficient technology. They have been developed with leading customers and they have been tried, field tested and built to the highest standards. And we’ve done all of this for a fraction of the cost of most of the industry.
Most of the industry took a leap of faith into expensive facilities before the market demand was mature and they carried the high cost of manufacturing facilities without firm orders as a result.
For all the reasons I’ve described, Ideanomics is an amazing opportunity for investors to enter the EV space, a high-growth sector that is racing to meet legislative deadline. Our stock offers a diversified investment in EV, and we’ll put disciplines in place to ensure we maximize every dollar spent on behalf of investors, as Robin mentioned.
For our customers, working with Ideanomics is a simplified journey to achieve their electrification vision. For our shareholders, we’ll be able to deliver the value based on our involvement across the entire electrification value chain. This requires moving at pace and more targeted growth, and we anticipate it will give us three distinct big competitive advantages: to be the first with an integrated end-to-end service offering; to provide a unique and differentiated customer value proposition; and to unlock the full value from commercial electrification for our shareholders. So when big in this space, Ideanomics needs to continue to evolve.
Automotive requires significant upfront investment. Many of the new to market companies in the EV sector will continue to have a tough time as they are not sufficiently differentiated from their competition. Ideanomics will need to continue to raise money, particularly after closing the deal with VIA Motors. We have a mature approach to doing so, and we use a mixture of debt and equity to minimize the dilution to our shareholders. The money we raise is an investment, your investment into the Ideanomics vision, which is to build a sustainable, world-class company that delivers products our customers can rely on while generating shareholder value.
Thank you again to everyone joining our call today. And back to you, Tony.
Tony Sklar
Thank you very much, Alf, and thank you very much to all of the folks who participated on this call. So this concludes management’s prepared remarks, and we will now go to our Q&A session. I’m going to hand it back to the operator for folks on the call to be able to give instructions for those who want to get into the queue. And as well, we will be reading these questions that we mentioned for pulling in our Say platform. So we have those questions, and we will be intermixing those. Go ahead, operator.
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Our first questions come from the line of Andres Sheppard with Cantor Fitzgerald.
Andres Sheppard
It’s great to hear your voice. Congrats on the quarter and congrats on getting caught up with your financials. I know it’s a big moment. Maybe for my first question, I was wondering if you could maybe give us any sort of outlook on what to expect for the second half of the year, either in terms of revenues or gross margins? Any — or maybe even any seasonality that we can account for? I’m just wondering how we should think about the second half of the year.
Alf Poor
Andres, good hearing from you, my friend, and thanks for the question. It’s a good one. If we take a look at our businesses, we’ve got businesses like WAVE that traditionally had lumpy revenues and they’re now moving into an as-a-Service subscription model. It just happens that some of their lumpiness is going to come in Q3 and Q4, where it didn’t come in Q1 and Q2. And going into next year, we’ll start to see that revenue bump smooth out as we transition to this as-a-Service model.
Similar with the U.S. Hybrid, U.S. Hybrid has a lot of orders, it’s unlocking in the second half of the year. So you’ll see performance from those two.
Probably more the interesting part from your perspective is the companies like Solectrac and Energica. At the moment, Solectrac has got very predictable revenues. And as you probably understand, that’s a mix of the supply chain, the backlog of the order book and now our production capacity that we’re in a new facility.
So I think we did something in the region of $3.5 million and $4 million in Q2 at Solectrac alone. You can expect that to be consistent for Q3, Q4 and maybe similar but with a slight bump in Q1 of next year as well. As we bring additional automation equipment into Solectrac, in Q2 of next year, that will increase our production, we can address more of the backlog, and you’ll start to see their revenues lift. But we’re starting to get consistency in the revenues now.
And as you know, supply chain and production capacity will be amount of vehicles you could turn out. So that’s why Solectrac is going to be very consistent.
Likewise, with Energica and it’s been able to expand its footprint and will expand its footprint similar. So its revenues are going to grow aggressively throughout the year as it starts to address that backlog. And then it’s going to start servicing those new orders on the new Experia bike which Livia mentioned in her comments. So they’ll grow probably more aggressively than Solectrac because they’ve got already a much larger footprint to expand into, whereas Solectrac’s expansion in the middle of this year into its new facility obviously, saw the Q2, Q3, Q4 revenues will jump and largely be in the $3.5 million to $4 million range per quarter. But they’re going to need to get automation equipment, semi automation equipment in to be able to produce higher production numbers. So those two are very, very interesting.
One of the things that I think is important to understand as well is as we move to this as-a-Service model, what we’re really doing is we’re taking the value of a contract, we’re increasing the margin on it significantly, but we’re stretching it by making a subscription model. So although we’ve got a really strong order pipeline, I need our investors to understand that as those as-a-Service contracts get deployed and those revenues come in, we’re going to be earning that revenue over a number of years rather than taking an upfront revenue as we typically have in the past with our operations like U.S. Hybrid and WAVE.
So — and something else with investors and analysts to really think about is if you look at our businesses, a company like an Energica or Solectrac, you can go to them directly through their website or you can go to one of their dealers within their distributor network. And you can place an order today and get an estimate of when the delivery will be in the coming weeks and months. That’s a much shorter, much simpler sale. You can’t do that with a WAVE or with the U.S. Hybrid. You can’t just show up at WAVE and say, ” Hey, I want to buy some charging systems.” Because they’re in ground charging systems, so you need electrical permit, you need a construction permit, you need a utility permit and you need planning to make sure that all those pieces can come together.
So I just want to set the expectations that they are different types of businesses, and that’s why you’re seeing the immediate revenue jumps in Solectrac and Energica because they sell more on a one-to-one basis, whereas when you’re working with the WAVE or you’re working with the U. S. Hybrid, for instance, those sales are more kind of project and larger scope in the way that they’re implemented. I hope that answers your question. I’m happy to…
Andres Sheppard
Yes. No, that’s very helpful, Alf. I appreciate it. Very insightful. Maybe to follow up, could you give us an update on your capital needs? Just wondering where things stand there.
Alf Poor
Yes. Obviously, as you know, we spoke about this — every company within the EV sector, its growth sector is going to need regular access to capital. Ideanomics hasn’t been able to raise any capital since late last year because of the fact that our filings were not current. So we’re talking to our partners, both debt and equity, as I mentioned in my remarks. And as I also mentioned in our remarks, we’re a very attractive company for either debt or equity investments. We have low debt. We have tremendous assets. We have revenues growing. We have patents across the group and there’s no shortage of people wanting to put money into Ideanomics.
So the fact that we haven’t been in the market raising money for close to 12 months means that we will need to do so. But I would expect it to be debt in the short term so that we — until the share price starts to recover and the market understands the value of kind of the edges, the WAVES, the VIA Motors when we closed that transaction, as I made in my remarks.
Andres Sheppard
Got it. Okay. That’s also very helpful. And what’s the latest with the Ideanomics Capital, the financing arm? I know in the past, you had mentioned the interest in potentially divesting most of that side of the business. So I’m just wondering whether that strategy is — has changed? Is it still the same? Or any updates you can give us there?
Alf Poor
No, it’s still the same. And as you know, it’s easy to say we’re going to divest these businesses, but outside parties can take a long time to go through diligence and other things. What I can tell you is we’re still committed to divesting those noncore assets. And there is interest in those assets that we’re in discussions about at this time. There’s also some other options we can potentially do with them. But yes, they’re not going to be part of the Ideanomics family going forward. Capital will migrate over time into the financing arm for our EV activities.
Andres Sheppard
Right. And maybe my last question, if I could. So can you just give us an update on where the VIA acquisition currently stands?
Alf Poor
Yes, absolutely. As you all know, getting an S-4 approved, which is the way that you approach your shareholders for your approval in the capital markets, that required our other filings to be current and our disclosures to be current, so that the Ideanomics investors and the inbound VIA investors understood the position of the company at the point they were taking the vote. So now that we’ve got those — the 10-K and the 2Q is caught up, we’re now in a position. The legal team were actually meeting yesterday with outside counsel polishing and finalizing the S Form, and we expect that to be so resubmitted very shortly.
Operator
Our next questions come from the line of [Jim Mitchell].
Unidentified Analyst
Congratulations on the results the team has put in. The quarter-over-quarter and year-over-year results demonstrate pretty impressive EV-related revenues and growth. That being said, closing VIA Motors acquisition seems to be a critical ingredient for putting Ideanomics on the map and generating significant revenue, which Alf alluded to in his closing remarks.
Just yesterday, Ford committed $2 billion to a manufacturing plant for their new EV vans. I’d like you to talk more in detail about how you plan to capitalize the company in order to tool a new production facility? And more or even most importantly, protect shareholder interest along the way, especially considering what appears to be an under-priced share price compared to the revenue and market caps to your peers, such as Canoo who has no revenues and over a $700 million market cap or even Workhorse with $12,000 of revenue and a little over $500 million of market cap. So can you speak to that a little bit?
Alf Poor
Yes, I’ll start off with answering the market dynamic and the ability to raise the cash. And I don’t know if Bob is on the phone, but certainly, if not, he and Robin can address the — how we’re going to scale the manufacturing because there’s some unique ways that VIA approaches the market that don’t expose us to the same kind of cost base of some of the others.
It’s a very good point you make, Jim, first of all, I don’t want to dwell on it too much, but our peers are not generating any revenue at this time or very little. Only really Rivian is reporting any numbers as they start to deliver their first few thousand vans a quarter to Amazon, who’s obviously a strategic investor there, so that’s kind of in-the-family deal. But it’s very important people understand why.
Until this Inflation Reduction Act and this Infrastructure Bill passed recently, the fleet buyers were not purchasing. They were not purchasing because they didn’t know as I mentioned in my remarks, what level of help the assistance that we’re going to get from the government for what is basically a legislative change. They’ve been told they can’t drive fossil fuel vehicles after 2030, 2040, 2050, depending on the part of the country. It’s natural for industry private and public to turn around and say to the government, okay, big change. How are we going to pay for it? And what are you going to do support us? And we’ve only just seen the government tip its hand with that approval of the Inflation Reduction Act on how to do that.
And as Bob mentioned, now that’s happened, many of the fleets are coming forward because they know what their spending curve now looks like. So that’s why you haven’t seen a lot of activity within the industry.
In terms of capitalizing the company, we have a number of ways we can do this. We have a lot of debt partners that are interested in financing a manufacturing facility. So we would take on debt that would obviously be serviced through onboarding of revenues. And VIA obviously believes it has the right products and the right interest to be able to unlock revenues within the coming years.
We have a green bond designation, which is a really interesting product where we can go out to the market for those types of companies who are looking to invest clearly in companies that are focused on carbon neutrality and zero emission. You do get caveats with a green bond, which is you can only deploy it for the reasons it’s raised. So if we raise the money for VIA, it would be exclusively for VIA and not for general corporate purposes. But the company has no shortage of options. It’s very attractive to the capital markets. It’s a highly liquid stock, and it’s very attractive to the debt markets as well, Jim.
But I’m going to stop talking now because I’ll keep talking on that because I’m very excited about my business, but I’ll hand it over to Robin and Bob see if they have any remarks they want to make about exactly how we’re going to put the manufacturing process in place.
Bob Purcell
Yes, Robin, would you like me to start?
Robin Mackie
Yes. Bob, please go ahead, and I’ll fill in where appropriate.
Bob Purcell
Okay, well, first of all, you need to understand the product strategy before we get into the manufacturing capability. Where we believe we really have a differential advantage with VIA and this may sound simple, but it’s creating and selling the products that the customer actually wants. And as I said in my remarks, we spent a lot of time with each customer, understanding their requirements and then being able to tailor our vehicle offering to what they really need to accomplish their business objectives.
And that’s accomplished with a vehicle design that is somewhat unique in that it’s a modular skateboard system that allows for us to put different body configurations on a common vehicle architecture. So that preserves capital and it makes our manufacturing operations much more focused on low capital in order to accomplish a broad portfolio of offerings in the marketplace.
And then the other advantage that I believe we have is the synergy with Ideanomics. We’re going to be able to offer a complete package for the fleet. That would include vehicles that will include charging. It will include financing that will differentiate us from some of the other competitors who are simply trying to sell trucks, okay? What we sell is a total package or ecosystem as Ideanomics likes to refer to it so that it makes it easy for a fleet to make the move to electric drive.
In terms of how do we capacitize effectively, again, we’re looking at a very lean type of a manufacturing operation that can go into a very focused footprint in terms of square footage, very low capital intensity in terms of the way our design comes together in the assembly operation. And we started out looking at facilities across the United States, a number of different locations.
As I said, we’ve now narrowed it down to three sites that we believe have the right kind of features in terms of the facilities, location and so on. And we’re hopeful we’ll be able to make a clear decision on that with our partners at Ideanomics here very shortly.
We’re going to start our capacity lean and scale it as required so that we don’t over invest upfront. And again, with the design being the way it is, a modular platform, we’re going to be able to do that, I believe, very cost effectively. Robin, did you have anything?
Robin Mackie
I think that was a very comprehensive answer. The only comment that I would make is that the VIA team led by Natalie Fitzpatrick has considered the manufacturing strategy from the very onset of the design of the platform, not only the modularity, but the approach to manufacturing. And we’re leveraging very traditional manufacturing technology, which improves our time to market. And as Bob stated, reduces the capital requirement.
So it’s been something that has been carried out with a great deal of foresight at the early design stage, not only understanding the customer need, but also understanding the scalable production need.
Tony Sklar
Great. Thank you very much, everyone. So we are coming up here on about 1 hour 15, and I wanted to give Alf a chance to give some final remarks, which also happened to have been a lot of the questions that were submitted to our Say platform. We had three of them in total, and because of lack of time here, we’re just going to read the top one, Alf. And it goes to Andres’ questions a little bit, which is, what are the growth plans here for ’23? And what is our most exciting points that we’d like to leave our investors with?
Alf Poor
Sorry, Tony. I was on mute. I am putting VIA to one side because obviously, that’s going to be in front of our shareholders shortly, and we just spoke about that. Our plan for growth is really centered on ramping up our production for Energica and Solectrac while positioning U.S. Hybrid on way from being a project-based revenue stream, as I mentioned on the call, the more broad application to support their growth and the anticipated market demand we’re seeing.
So it’s really about moving. We’ve already made the foundational investments into an Energica and Solectrac, and that’s why you’re seeing their revenues bounce and grow consistently now. We’re now doing the same with U.S. Hybrid and WAVE. They were project-based government-funded type of projects. We now move them into commercialization with Robin’s help. And you’ll start to see the benefit of that.
So — and then we’re going to start, as Robin mentioned on the call to make sure that we spend money in-house as well. Energica and Solectrac’s technology, and Energica supplying Treeletrik technology. Obviously, we currently buy motors and battery management systems and things from other people in their product. We’ll start to bring that in-house. That pushes revenues and money that’s usually going out the door is going to be staying within the family.
So there’s a lot we can do. And with the passing of the Inflation Reduction Act, we’ve now gone from people saying, evaluate, evaluate, evaluate to when can we get the product. And I think that’s what’s really interesting. So that’s where Robin’s helping manage those cost controls to make sure that we get $5 of value for every dollar we spend right now, but the growth is going to come, and it’s going to come quickly.
Robin Mackie
Can I just build on that as well, Alf, just a little bit and make a comment that both Solectrac and Energica are not only in having — seeing the month on quarter-to-quarter growth, but there are also planned new introductions, new product introductions for Solectrac during 2023 and this set becomes an exciting incremental growth opportunity for the latter part of the year.
And as we stated earlier, Energica have developed this subdivision Energica Inside, which is also now turning into a revenue stream over the next year.
Tony Sklar
Well, thank you very much, Robin, Alf, the entire executive team, the finance team, of course, the entire community of investors, interested parties, analysts, supporters and especially much our team at Ideanomics all around the globe in many of our offices.
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Operator
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