Focus Financial Partners Inc. (NASDAQ:FOCS) Q3 2022 Earnings Conference Call November 3, 2022 8:30 AM ET
Company Participants
Ruediger Adolf – Founder, CEO & Chairman
James Shanahan – CFO
Russell McGranahan – General Counsel
Conference Call Participants
Craig Siegenthaler – Bank of America
Ryan Kenny – Morgan Stanley
Gerald O’Hara – Jefferies
Matthew Moon – KBW
Kwun Lau – Oppenheimer
Patrick O’Shaughnessy – Raymond James
Russell McGranahan
Good morning, everyone. Before we begin, let me remind you that during the course of this call, we may make a number of forward-looking statements. We call your attention to the fact that Focus’ results may, of course, differ from these statements. These statements are based on assumptions made by and information currently available to Focus Financial Partners and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause the results of Focus to materially differ from these statements. Focus has made filings with the SEC, which lists some of the factors that may cause its results to differ materially from these statements. And finally, Focus assumes no duty and does not undertake to update any such forward-looking statements.
With that, I will turn it over to our Founder and CEO, Rudy Adolf. Rudy?
Ruediger Adolf
Thanks, Rusty. And good morning, everyone, and welcome to our call. This morning, we announced another quarter of strong results, which again exceed our guidance on all measures despite an exceptionally volatile period in the capital markets. We generated revenues of $519.9 million in the third quarter, up 14.4% versus the prior year. And our year-over-year organic growth rate was 3.4%.
Our adjusted EBITDA was $128.7 million, up 13.4% versus the prior year, and our adjusted EBITDA margin was 24.8%. Our adjusted net income, excluding tax adjustments per share was $0.86, and tax adjustments per share $26. Despite the market correction, we delivered excellent revenue growth and improved margins, demonstrating the continued strength of our fundamentals.
Our results again show the resiliency of our business, reflecting the benefits of our revenue diversification and variable cost base, combined with our structural earnings preference, which helped mitigate the market exposure of our earnings and cash flows.
Our results also reflect the value of trusted advice, particularly in this environment. Our partner firms deliver comprehensive wealth management services to high and ultra-high net worth clients who take a long-term view on structuring their wealth and they are engaged in every element of their clients’ financial lives beyond trust investment management.
Volatile market conditions are when prudent fiduciary advice is of the utmost importance, reinforcing the loyalty and long-term retention of these client relationships. In fact, 18 Focus partner firms were recently named to the 2022 Forbes/Shook Top 100 RIA list. Almost 20% of the total, which nearly half of those also being named to the Barron’s 2022 list of Top 100 RIA Firms. This level of recognition reflects the exceptional client service these firms and all of our partners are delivering during the current period.
Looking forward, we expect the same industry pattern as in prior times of volatility. According to Cerulli, RIA’s outperform in post-crisis periods, increasing industry managed asset growth rates by 60% to 70% versus the compound annual growth rate of approximately 10% per year in normalized markets and substantially outpacing the wire houses and broker dealers. We saw this phenomenon in 2008 and 2009, and again, in 2020, 2021, two of the most significant market crisis in recent history. And we believe that we will see it again once current markets recover.
I’ve mentioned these statistics before, but they bear repeating because it is during periods like this that we execute the transactions that deliver some of the greatest upside, and our partners experience elevated client referrals. Collectively, we believe these dynamics position us to outperform as markets recover.
The strength of our quarterly performance was enhanced by our strong M&A activity. Year-to-date, we have closed or announced 5 new partner firms and 19 mergers, bringing our year-to-date transaction total to 24 deals. We closed on FourThought Private Wealth on November 1.
FourThought, which manages approximately $1.1 billion in client assets will deepen our presence in the rapidly growing Florida wealth management market. The team is well positioned to benefit from our value-add programs, particularly our client solutions.
In addition, we announced the acquisition of Beaumont Financial Partners, a premier independent wealth manager that will augment our extensive presence in around Boston by benefiting from our value-added resources and its proximity to other leading Focus partners in the Northeast.
Industry M&A deal volume remained strong during the third quarter with year-to-date transaction volumes up 23% compared to the first 9 months in 2021 and with 22% on pace to be another record year according to DeVoe research.
DeVoe also note that while year-to-date sales of larger RIAs have moderated compared to the same period in 2021, M&A activity among RIAs with less than $1 billion in client assets has increased 54% year-over-year.
The flexibility of our model, which enables us to acquire on a direct basis on behalf of our partner firms in the form of mergers positions us to benefit not only from strong industry volumes, but also from changing seller dynamics.
DeVoe also highlights that 52% of RIAs seek to become a buyer of other RIAs as part of their growth strategy, which was a driving force behind the merger activity that we have completed year-to-date. This dynamic further reinforces our value proposition of providing entrepreneurs with permanent growth capital and access to our value-added programs to accelerate their growth and mergers are an economically attractive form of acquisition for us.
We are frequently asked by investors whether current market conditions are impacting M&A activity. Our experience is that M&A in this business is secular, not cyclical, because the primary catalyst of consolidation, succession and the need for scale are not market-dependent. Even extreme market volatility, like what we saw in ’08 and 2020, tends to only delay transactions, leading to catch-up periods of high deal activity. This industry continues to under consolidate, which is amplified by current conditions.
We remain beneficiaries of these dynamics as is evidenced by our transaction volume year-to-date. This year will be one of our strongest for M&A activity overall as well as one of our most active years for mergers on behalf of our partner firms.
We anticipate that full year 2022 will also mark a strong year for acquisition capital deployment with over $500 million invested to grow and enhance our partnership. We continue to add high-quality new partners and make good progress in executing our strategy to expand our international footprint.
Our value-add programs remain a significant differentiator for us, both within our partnership and is an important part of our value proposition to the firms who decide to join us. These programs are an important source of organic growth and revenue diversification for our partners. We are very pleased with the progress in both our business and client solutions with a number of our teams expanding as our partners increasingly take advantage of these programs. We have a robust pipeline, including further international expansion. Our partners remain very active in pursuing mergers to accelerate their growth and expand their geographic reach and enhance the client service capabilities.
Additionally, there continues to be a focus on talent in this industry. Mergers are often an attractive conduit for adding strong advisory teams where there is a cultural and organizational fit. Our ability to source and execute these complex transactions is a valuable competitive edge for our partner firms.
We remain disciplined in our capital deployment and return criteria. We have no need to raise equity capital, and our business continues to generate a substantial amount of cash flow. Multiples are softening, and we do not see the excesses of 2021. This environment is also allowing for greater flexibility in aligning buyer and sell interest, enabling us to structure transactions to be supportive of our targeted 3.5 times to 4.5 times net leverage ratio.
Our M&A team is the largest and most experienced in the industry and has deep expertise in the complexity surrounding deal sourcing, structuring and pricing as well as in navigating the nuances of transacting in such a relationship-based industry. There are key competitive advantages as we execute on our acquisition pipeline going into 2023 and as we build additional scale and grow our partnership.
In recent conversations with many of our partner firms, they continue to navigate the challenges of the macro environment well. The feedback remains unchanged despite the third quarter decline in markets and bearish outlook for many. The concept of the experienced trusted adviser, proactive and consistent client communications and well-balanced portfolio structured for the long term remains central themes. These are the times that create numerous opportunities to engage with clients, further solidifying those relationships.
More than ever, clients seek stability and advice by advisers who have served them for long periods of time, advisers whose advice proves itself in the outcomes and who have seen many market cycles, who as one of our partner CEO described have been there and done that.
The other element of what we hear, which was also seen last quarter is that our partner clients are evaluating this year’s downturn within a multiyear context. With the S&P 500 up over 75% from the beginning of 2016 to the end of Q3 2022, there is no capitulation on long-term financial plans. As another of our partner CEO says, this won’t be the last downturn we’ll see in our lifetimes. We have to play the long game.
As the fourth quarter gets underway, it remains challenging to determine how the macro environment will evolve. But we anticipate that market conditions will remain volatile for several additional quarters at least.
Against this backdrop, we anticipate that we will achieve a full year revenue growth rate for 2022 of approximately 17% and adjusted EBITDA growth rate for 2022 of 15%.
As we have demonstrated throughout this year, we continue to weather the storm well and use it as an opportunity to position ourselves to accelerate growth as markets and economies recover.
Our decentralized approach to partnering with entrepreneurs enables us to remain nimble in how we manage our business, and positions us and our partners to take advantage of the opportunities on the horizon.
We believe these attributes; together with our embedded operating leverage will drive sustained outperformance if markets stabilize. It is for these reasons that we are confident that Focus will generate substantial growth and deliver superior value to its shareholders over the long term.
With that, let me turn the call over to Jim. Jim?
James Shanahan
Good morning, everyone. We delivered strong results this quarter, again, demonstrating the stability and resiliency of our business against a challenging macro backdrop. The performance of our partner firms was strong, and while current conditions raise the obvious questions around inflation, monetary policy, geopolitical risk and the economic impact of the recession, their clients continue to remain focused on their long-term financial objectives.
We are executing well against our M&A pipeline, and we remain confident that we will navigate the current challenges and emerge well positioned to capitalize on the forward growth opportunity within our industry.
Now for a few comments on the key elements of our Q3 P&L. Our revenues were $519.9 million, increasing 14.4% year-over-year and above the top end of our guidance range of $505 million to $515 million. The resiliency of our revenue in this market environment is again notable. Our Q3 year-over-year organic revenue growth rate was 3.4%, also above the top end of our 0% to 2% guidance, primarily due to better-than-expected revenue growth across our partnership of 87 firms.
I want to take a moment again to reinforce five key elements of our revenue diversification, which helped mitigate the impact of declining markets as you saw this quarter. I mentioned these on our call in August but believe they bear repeat out.
First, approximately 23.9% of our Q3 revenues come from nonmarket correlated sources, which is a significant percentage of our total revenues. Unlike during COVID in 2020, when these revenues were impacted by the lockdowns, our non-market correlated revenues are providing a valuable hedge in this environment.
Second, a growing percentage of our revenues come from international sources. Approximately 6.4% of our Q3 revenues were generated by our partner firms in Australia, Canada, the U.K. and Switzerland, which represented a new country for revenue diversification in Q3 with the closing of our partner firm, Octogone.
Third, our billing structure reduces the impact of all little markets in any given quarter. Approximately 65.6% of our Q3 market correlated revenues were built in advance while 34.4% were billed in arrears. This structure also gives us good visibility into our revenues in the upcoming quarter.
Fourth, our partner firms each manage their own investment processes. Each respective partner firm has its own investment committee and investment philosophy and follows its individual asset allocation methodology.
And fifth, decline of our partner firms are high and ultra-high net worth individuals and families whose approach to invest in is fundamentally different than that of the typical client of an asset manager. They are investors who are generally focused on multigenerational capital preservation and wealth creation.
This mind-set is reflected in how they invest their assets and in turn in our market correlated revenues. The combination of these elements, plus the variable nature of our management fees and Ernest’s preference is why our revenue and earnings performance has been so resilient this year.
As a result of our strong Q3 revenues, our adjusted EBITDA was $128.7 million, reflecting year-over-year growth of 13.4% and our adjusted EBITDA margin was 24.8%, above our guidance are approximately 24%. Year-to-date, our margin was 25.1%, reflecting the stability of our business despite market condition.
Additionally, our earnings preference provides an important structural protection to our earnings and cash flows. To help investors better understand the structural protections in our financial model, we have included Slides 24 to 26 in our earnings supplement.
On the M&A front, we recently closed on one new partner firm, FourThought, on November 1, and we expect to close an additional new partner firm this quarter, Beaumont Financial Partners.
Based on mid-quarter closings, we anticipate these firms will add estimated revenues of approximately $3 million and adjusted EBITDA of approximately $1 million in the fourth quarter and more than $21 million in annualized revenue and $7.3 million in annualized adjusted EBITDA.
As Rudy highlighted, our pipeline is strong with a high-quality transaction mix. Joining an international partnership of 87 like-minded firms, led by dynamic management teams is highly differentiated in the independent wealth management space. Our value proposition continues to resonate with firms in the industry, and we are a highly sought-after partner.
Now turning to our Q3 expenses and cash flows. Management fees were $123 million or 23.7% of revenues, which was a lower percentage compared to the second quarter of this year, reflecting the modest sequential decline in revenue and the variable nature of our management fees. Because management fees are our second largest operating expense and are correlated to the profitability of our partner firms quarter-to-quarter, they provide an important source of earnings and cash flow stability in volatile markets.
Non-cash equity compensation expense was approximately 1.5% of revenues, in line with our estimate. And we expect this expense will be approximately 1.6% of estimated Q4 revenues.
The third quarter was impacted by the change in the estimated fair value of earn-outs pursuant to our Monte Carlo simulations under GAAP. Accordingly, we recorded a positive $30.7 million noncash change in fair value of estimated contingent consideration in our statement of operations. Market conditions drove the reduced estimate liabilities as of September 30. As markets recover, these estimates typically increase.
As of September 30, our LTM cash flow available for capital allocation was $345.8 million, increasing 15.4% year-over-year, reflecting the strong financial performance of our partnership despite volatile markets. Our gross unamortized tax shield was over $2.8 billion as of September 30, which will support our cash flows in future periods.
We also paid cash earn-out obligations of $47.9 million and deferred purchase consideration obligations of $1.5 million, which was in line with our Q3 estimate. And we anticipate that our earn-out payments will be approximately $38 million in Q4.
Now for a few words on our Q4 P&L expectations. We estimate that our Q4 revenues will be in the range of $505 million to $515 million, a sequential decrease of approximately 1% to 3%. This range does not include an estimate for performance fees.
While our guidance reflects the effect of the decline in market conditions in the second half of this year, it also demonstrates the benefits of the revenue diversification I mentioned earlier. We expect that our Q4 organic revenue growth rate will be approximately negative 10% due in part to a comparably strong Q4 2021, which included approximately $20 million of performance fee revenues.
The $20 million of performance fees in the prior year has a negative 4% impact on our Q4 2020 organic revenue growth estimate. I also want to remind you that our advanced billing structure, which generally reflects market levels in the prior quarter, also results in a lagged effect of markets on our organic revenue growth rate.
The timing and amount of our performance fees varies based on the source. For example, one of our partner firms that specializes in alternative investments is working on a real estate fund transaction. We have not included that estimate in our Q4 revenue guidance because the transaction may close in Q1 of next year. As we typically do, we will provide a full year update on our performance fees on our Q4 earnings call.
We anticipate that our Q4 adjusted EBITDA margin will be approximately 23%, which we estimate would bring our full year margin to approximately 24.5%. The estimated sequential decline in our margin is due to lower revenues that we anticipate in Q4.
Our partner firms continue to take a very thoughtful approach to managing their expenses. They are mindful of the risk of reducing expenses to severely in reaction to current market conditions, limiting their ability to respond as markets recover.
While lower market levels have an impact on our revenues, they are not currently making significant adjustments to their operating expenses. Our partners object is continue to center on building stable businesses that deliver consistently high levels of client service. Periods like these are also when our partners tend to see higher levels of client referrals.
Additionally, talent recruitment and retention remains of paramount importance and it’s difficult to find advisers in their 30s and 40s with experience in managing sophisticated high and ultra-high net worth clients.
Our partners are focused on ensuring that they deliver superior client experience across cycles and capture the full potential during the recovery. However, should challenger market conditions persist through a long period of time, our partners can adjust their expenses, accordingly.
Now let me turn to our balance sheet. As of September 30, we had approximately $2.4 billion in debt outstanding, and we ended the quarter with a net leverage ratio of 3.98 times, which was in line with our guidance. We estimate that our Q4 net leverage ratio will be approximately 4.25 times.
I know the impact of rising rates on our interest rent remains a focus for the investment community. As a reminder, $850 million of our $2.4 billion of debt outstanding has LIBOR swapped from a floating rate of a fixed weighted average rate of 62 basis points plus a spread of 200 basis points.
We typically use 30-day LIBOR in our term loans. Assuming 30-day LIBOR was 200 basis points higher in Q3 rather than the average LIBOR rate of 221 basis points in effect during the quarter on our term loan borrowings, we would have had incremental quarterly pro forma interest expense of approximately $8.2 million, which is net of our $850 million hedges. This type of pro forma increase, especially when evaluated on an after-tax basis is a headwind, but manageable for a business with annualized revenues in excess of $2 billion.
While we selectively use equity as an acquisition currency from time to time, I would like to reiterate a point Rudy made, which is we do not have to raise equity capital. Given the depressed levels at which our stock is currently trading; such a raise would not be attractive. Additionally, while we have not used our authorized $200 million stock buyback, it does remain available.
In closing, the benefits of the diversification of our revenues are once again evident in our financial results during another veteran [ph] challenging period in the markets. Our partners businesses are built on deep long-standing client relationships that have withstood the test of time across market cycles. We fully expect that the resiliency and stability of our results will continue to be evident as we navigate the on-going market turbulence. We and our partner firms are actively planning for when markets recover, which we believe will offer substantial growth opportunities as it has after other major crises.
Now let me turn the call over to the operator for Q&A. Operator?
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from the line of Craig Siegenthaler with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.
Craig Siegenthaler
Hey good morning Rudy, Jim. Hope you both are doing well?
Ruediger Adolf
Thanks, Craig. How are you?
Craig Siegenthaler
I’m good. So it’s great to see so much M&A activity this year given that it’s a challenging year for most companies. But I’m curious how much softer is the competition for new deals versus the last few years? And also, how valuation multiples trended this year versus the last couple of years?
Ruediger Adolf
Yes. So I indicated on earlier calls, the — we clearly see a softening in multiples. But more important, we see more flexibility on structuring of the transactions. And year-to-date, we have announced 24 transactions, correct, yes, stay tuned. There will be numerous additional announcements. As I said, at the end of last year, this is going to be one of our best M&A years, and that’s exactly what we are seeing.
From a competitive perspective, yes, it’s — quite frankly, the 2021 was a very unusual year that sometimes I call it immatures hour because there were some very aggressive competitors. They’re all gone from what we can tell. And we now see a more rational and more kind of a constructive market from an M&A perspective.
Now even when I look into next year, it’s going to be, again, from what we can tell at this point, a very solid market from an M&A perspective. And most importantly, particularly in times like these when we look back, we do some of the best transactions we have ever done because there’s this natural tailwind that the recovery, both benefits these new partners, but of course, also benefits Focus. So overall, we like where we are from an M&A perspective. We are very excited about this 24 transactions, and you will hear about quite a number of more deals.
Craig Siegenthaler
Just as my follow-up, I wanted an update on the contingent payment liabilities. I see the number, I think, is about $320 million in the 10-Q was down a decent amount. I think a lot of that is probably just the markets. But is that still the best estimate for future payments that you’re going to need to make on deals already announced? And maybe just a little color on what drove the decline?
James Shanahan
Yes, one second, Craig.
Ruediger Adolf
As you know, this is always a model that we run. It’s a Monte Carlo analysis. And you are correct that the biggest impact is basically the assumption for the markets and that really feed into this model.
James Shanahan
Yes, Craig, the liability is $189.1 million. It’s in our 10-Q, as September 30 and we recorded an adjustment to that earn-out in our income statement for the forecast of the long-term earnings to our Monte Carlos and that was a pickup in the income statement in Q3.
Craig Siegenthaler
Thank you Jim.
James Shanahan
You’re welcome.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.
Unidentified Analyst
Hey guys, this is Michael [Ph] on for Alex. So I guess, kind of in a similar vein here, but on leverage capacity, if the deal activity remains healthy as it has, how do you think you’ll manage funding mix between cash and equity going forward, and obviously, not necessarily issuance of new equity, but using equity to fund these deals? Thanks.
Ruediger Adolf
Yes. Michael, this is where the point I made before really comes in very helpful and that it’s not just that we see a softening from a multiple perspective. But we also see more flexibility from a structuring of the transactions.
In fact, a number of the deals that we will be announcing in the not too far future, are literally supportive of our leverage, meaning the upfront multiples are below our target leverage range. That’s something that is very helpful from a capital deployment perspective. Then of course, in addition, you need to remember that our cash generation, we announced $346 million from a TTM perspective, it’s just extremely strong.
So we will be able to sustain a strong M&A momentum into 2023 without having to tap into equity in any way. We are very clear. There is absolutely no need to raise equity for us. We have enough cash flow and capacity here to sustain the M&A momentum.
We will always use some part of consideration as we have done historically. We are using equity to increase this alignment between partners and us. And quite frankly, it’s very often tax-driven as well. But yes, we are in a very good position to complete an excellent year in 2022, and we will see significant momentum into 2023.
Unidentified Analyst
Right. Thanks, so not necessarily issuing equity, but using equity as part of the funding mix, it sounds like that’s going to be…
James Shanahan
Yes, if you go back from when we went public to 2018 through today, we’ve used equity on a very limited basis, but we always have the currency available. We’re generating a lot of cash flow. We don’t need to raise equity, as we’ve noted in our prepared remarks, but certainly for select transactions, new partners that join us, we use equity, but it’s been historically a very small percentage.
Ruediger Adolf
Yes. So it’s very consistent with past practices.
Unidentified Analyst
Okay. That’s helpful. I guess for my follow-up, last year in 4Q, you had that performance fee. You kind of spoke about that in the guidance, but can we expect anything like that in 4Q 2022? Or any other kind of events driven onetime year revenues? Thanks.
Ruediger Adolf
Yes. So when we provided the Q4 forecast, we were very clear that we did not make any assumption around performance fees. And so really, you need to look at Q4 last year ex performance fees and you look at our guidance to give you the intrinsic growth of the business. There is one particular transaction where the timing is just currently hard for us to see. It could still hit in Q4. It could go into Q1. We feel very optimistic that a substantial performance will come in relatively comparable to last year.
But one thing we have seen this year, and I said on prior earnings calls, by overall, of course, the performance of the business has been very strong. But timing, both of transaction closing, timing of performance fees, it’s simply harder to predict this year than it was in prior years. So yes, it could still be in Q4, but we didn’t put it into the forecast could be a Q1 event. But it’s highly likely we are going to see this performance fee and it’s purely timing.
Unidentified Analyst
All right, thanks guys. Very helpful.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Kenny with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.
Ryan Kenny
Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question.
Ruediger Adolf
Hi, Ryan.
Ryan Kenny
I wanted to dig in a bit on the expense side. So the compensation ratio ticked up Q-over-Q and then I heard the comment on the prepared remarks that retention is important. So I just wanted to clarify, is the right take away from that, that the comp ratio should continue to tick up? Or that it should just remain elevated?
James Shanahan
Yes. So if you go through all the ratios for this quarter, what you see is — we look at the margin based on how we share the economics with our partners. And clearly, you see the comp margin went up about 2.7%, but the SG&A went down and so did the management fee, which led to the margin being ahead of our guidance. Obviously, we’ve acquired some new firms in Q4. We don’t go into the exact split of all the expenses between comp and SG&A.
But we do expect some growth in the comp expense due to the addition of the new partner firms. Also in Q4, we expect a little more SG&A type cost due to our partners meeting and typical year-end client type of events, which is all baked into our guidance in the Q4 of 23%.
Ruediger Adolf
Yes, Ryan, on the compensation side, our partners have really not adjusted expenses. And I think that’s the right call. There is a competition for talent. We have exceptional people working in this business. And reality is you need to prepare for the upswing. And we all believe that for every 2020, there’s a 2021. And we don’t know when this is coming, but it will be coming.
And we need to have the capacity to really take advantage of, as we demonstrated in 2021, the tremendous operating leverage this business has when we have some tailwind. So our philosophy and our partners philosophy is, of course, manage prudently and through the current environment, but very much be prepared for the upswing and it’s only a question of time and it’s going to come.
Ryan Kenny
Thank you. And then just as a follow-up, does the stronger dollar impact the international expansion strategy at all?
Ruediger Adolf
Well, it’s a good time to buy in international, but we don’t market time just based on currency. But of course, only 6% of our revenues are international at this point. But yes, it is one of many factors where we do see a good opportunity to deploy U.S. dollars in these international markets, but this is just one out of many other factors that go into distance into these decisions.
Ryan Kenny
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Gerald O’Hara with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.
Gerald O’Hara
Great, thanks and good morning folks. Rudy, I think you alluded to a pipeline of a strong pipeline of value-added programs, but hoping you might be able to kind of give us a little bit more color as to what might be forthcoming there? Or perhaps if I misheard you, just sort of some context around what some of the business solutions that might be really resonating with partner firms are in the current environment? Thank you.
Ruediger Adolf
Yes, absolutely. And yes, we really like the progress that we are having in these programs. Top of the list alternatives, we have some firms that have very deep touristic expertise in the alternatives area. And we are making these programs available to other partners, and the momentum is very strong there. And just given where the markets are, the world of the traditional 60:40, 55:45 portfolio is simply is gone.
So you need to have a more sophisticated asset allocation. And true multi-asset strategies and having this expertise from some of our partner firms that have done this for many, many years available to other partners is a very, very powerful part of our value proposition, and much more to come on that in the future.
Credit, a very strategic program. We have over ten credit specialists now working in the holding company. The program to date, we have worked on like $2 billion of credit advice. And really resonates and will continue to be an important power of value-added. As we explained in the past, we have really brought the concept of open architecture to high-end private banking; it has never been done before and is resonating and really empowering our partners in a very exciting way.
Insurance, we have hired two specialists who work with our partners in advising their clients. Still earlier days, but we like what we see. And we believe, again, this open architecture approach towards insurance and the state planning is going to have significant legs.
Trust, we have just hired a second trust expert really a state lawyer to basically help our partners. It’s a program that, again, resonates well. Still earlier days, but very much our core value proposition and the reason why you see such an excellent momentum on the M&A side is ultimately directly linked to these type of programs were quite frankly, Alt Credit Insurance Trust, I couldn’t think of anybody in this industry, probably globally, who has this depth of expertise and the level of purchasing power that we have. And it’s truly distinctive from an in-client perspective and from a partner perspective.
Gerald O’Hara
Great. Thanks for that. And then maybe one for Jim. On Slide 6, you detailed the sort of the earnings preference, both from new partner firms and I think cumulative acquired base earnings. But can you maybe remind us or just sort of help us think about how those figures are impacted in an environment that we’ve seen year-to-date where both equity and fixed income index markets are down and where the resiliency and the protection is within that sort of framework?
James Shanahan
Yes. We show this slide as a data point of the new partner firms that we’ve acquired since 2019 as we’ve often set firms that have been with us for many years are above their target earnings. We generally buy between 40% to 60% of the economics. So when you’re way ahead of your target earnings, we and the partner firms, the management fees are share in pro rata and the upside and the downside.
The purpose of this slide is to say, okay, here are the firms that you’ve acquired in the fairly recent past where perhaps they might not have grown way past their target earnings or our most recent firms, maybe a little below their target earnings. So you have a little bit of color in terms of the earnings preference that we have in the recent past.
Ruediger Adolf
Yes. And keep in mind, when you look on a same-store growth perspective, our partner firms here, including mergers growth 14.8%, excluding mergers 10.2%. So it doesn’t take a long time until firms you simply outgrow the preference. And that’s why we use this 2-year rule.
But quite frankly, even with the level of market disruption that we all have seen, S&P and Russell down at over 20%. It doesn’t really — it hasn’t kicked in, in any material way, except for recent transactions. So what we know about our partner portfolio is they just have done so well over the years that for most of them, the preference is simply a historic footnote. Yes, not an important economic concept anymore.
Gerald O’Hara
Okay. That’s helpful. If I could actually just sneak one in quickly. As we wrestle with the performance fee dynamic, do you all disclose what performance fee eligible assets are by chance? The answer to this might be no, and that’s fine. I just want to make sure we’re kind of on the same page.
Ruediger Adolf
No. So we don’t disclose what the asset — the underlying asset is. But what we do, as we did in Q4 last year is here we disclosed the percent or rather the actual amount of performance fees. I think it was $20 million in Q4 2021. So we give you the specific number once we know it. And as I said before, we simply have a calendarization issue. We don’t know it’s in Q4. We don’t know if it is Q1, very high probability we will have substantial performance fees again. And that’s why we simply gave guidance for Q4 that excluded this concept.
James Shanahan
Yes. The transaction that was discussed relates to a real estate portfolio sale transaction, not a typical year-end high watermark type of concept. So when the transaction closes, that’s when we would expect the performance fee. And we think it could be this year, but it’s more likely Q1 next year.
Gerald O’Hara
Okay, thanks for taking my questions this morning.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Kyle Voigt with KBW. Please proceed with your question.
Matthew Moon
This is actually Matt Moon on for Kyle. So I just wanted to switch gears a little bit on the topic of international expansion. Kind of earlier this year, you cited the optimism for the opportunity in the Swiss wealth market following the Octogone acquisition.
So first off, at the time, it sounded as though this acquisition was expected to open up the opportunity set for you guys in the country. So just curious maybe one on the progress on the efforts in the country here and maybe two, why we haven’t seen any acquisitions announced yet since the initial entry? Any color there would be great.
Ruediger Adolf
Yes. So on Octogone, quite frankly, we are very pleased with what we have seen. In fact, there were very exciting announcements about new hires and other activities that subsequently happened, and we were, of course, collaborating with the leadership of Octogone. So we really like what we see. You will hear more about this in the not too far future. And quite frankly, we closed this thing only on July 1. So give us a little bit of time — but our position on the opportunity and specifically the Swiss market, but quite frankly, also other international markets continues to be very positive.
The question before about, does the dollar help? Yes, in fact it does. But one step at a time, we are very strategic, and we love what we see with Octogone. Yes, there will be more. But yes, let’s focus on making Octogone as successful as it can be.
Matthew Moon
Totally fair. And then just for Jim, more of a clarifying question just on bringing back to the performance fee question. But did I catch that you were saying though is the one forthcoming would be similar in size to the one last year of that $20 million? And then if you could just kind of remind us just the margin on those fees. I believe that it’s significantly higher, if not around 50%. But yes, if you could kind of flesh out those details?
James Shanahan
Yes. The estimate is plus or minus $15 million of revenue and maybe plus or minus 50% margin on this type of transaction. But that’s an estimate as of today. We’ll see what actually comes to fruition when it’s closed.
Matthew Moon
Okay, great. Thank you guys.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Kwun Lau with Oppenheimer. Please proceed with your question.
Kwun Lau
Good morning and thank you for taking my question. Thank you for updating revenue and adjusted EBITDA growth guidance for this year. Could you please also comment on your longer-term 2025 target as well? Is any change of your longer-term revenue growth and adjusted EBITDA margin outlook? Thank you.
Ruediger Adolf
Yes. That’s obviously a very important question. When we did our Investor Day in December when we updated our Focus 2025 numbers here, it obviously was in a different economic world with different outlook than what we are living through today. But I think I said it before, for every 2020, there’s a 2021. So we don’t know when there is turnaround from a market perspective. Assuming it comes within this 2025 momentum or rather period, this momentum will be very helpful, of course, to get us towards 2025. At this point, Jim and I don’t really think we should update these numbers. So of course, if you expect the other markets and the macro environment to remain as challenging as it is or maybe even get more challenging for some period of time, then 2025 would not be possible.
But reality is it will turn around. It’s a question of when. And as we have demonstrated in 2021, as we have demonstrated, really throughout all the crisis that we lived through since 2006, our industry suffers much less than anybody else, which we are, of course, demonstrating with our results in the wealth management space and so does Focus. And when there is the turnaround, you see just an enormous acceleration of industry growth by 60% and 70% versus normal. And of course, we are a huge beneficiary and our dynamics are at least as good as what the industry does.
So no update to 2025 at this point. It’s a question of when we see a normalization. If there is a normalization, yes, then, quite frankly, 2025 is absolutely doable. If not, it could get pushed out by some years.
Kwun Lau
Got it. That’s helpful. My follow-up is, I may have missed that. But can you please give us an update on your cash and credit program? And in particular, in this high rate, high interest rate environment, is there any high, let’s say, like a high new savings product that you can offer to your clients? Thank you.
Ruediger Adolf
Yes. Actually, we have a very successful program that we announced, I think, about a year ago, which is a bank sweep program that basically is FDIC insured up to $50 million, actually up to $100 million. Actually, I don’t know what the current rates are, but they are very attractive. And basically, yes, there’s definitely a significant interest. Yes, cash is king right now.
And being able to provide such a scaled sophisticated suite program is quite frankly, very, very powerful and differentiating. Because the traditional cash solutions that you can get in the market from the custodians is obviously significantly lower than what these programs provide. So it is one of the services that we are offering, and I’ll get you the rates just on the latest.
From a credit perspective, the refi market, of course, is kind of very weak, is kind of non-existent. But there was really never the emphasis of what our credit program was about. It was always really sophisticated lending solutions for could be business lending. It could be planes, yachts, art collections, just complex high-end lending where it is really ultimately lending money to people who don’t really need money. It’s much more of a liquidity solution.
And the liquidity solution you have in your state planning solution. But when you’re in the current market environment, it’s actually very, very powerful. So it is an important part of the advisory mix that we can offer to our clients. We think it is very differentiating. There’s nobody with the level of purchasing power that we have. And we, quite frankly, see significant growth in this area for years to come.
Kwun Lau
Got it. Thank you Rudy.
Operator
And our next question comes from the line of Patrick O’Shaughnessy with Raymond James. Please proceed with your question.
Patrick O’Shaughnessy
Hey good morning. How committed are you guys to a net debt-to-EBITDA threshold of 4.5 times?
Ruediger Adolf
Well, Jim and I have always been very clear that we believe that this is the right range debt for us. It’s not a covenant issue as we disclose our covenants are 6.25 times. So quite frankly, we got significant flexibility above it. But we believe in the current market environment with the dynamics that this is the right ratio. I mentioned before, Pat, that given the attractiveness of the M&A market, many of our transactions, we are really not adding to our leverage.
So that gives us significant flexibility. And really also aligns the interest of our future partners and Focus in a stronger way. So that’s a very helpful dynamic. We disclosed $345 million of TTM cash generation. So that’s just enormous cash.
So yes, we remain committed. Now yes, if there was some massive market correction and suddenly, we would be below that ratio. That, of course, could happen here. You see what we have in our credit disclosure in the — which exhibited is Page 24. But they would be just momentarily and of course, we would manage it accordingly. But strategically, fundamentally, 3.5, 4.5 is the right ratio. This is how we are running our M&A business, which we can control. And we believe it, with the cash generation that we have, it allows us to have a very successful M&A year again in 2023.
Patrick O’Shaughnessy
Got it. Appreciate that. And then, Jim, the contingent consideration balance of $189.2 million, that saw a $12.6 million increase this quarter from an assumed estimated contingent consideration. Does that mean that you bought an entity that had its own continued consideration at the time of the purchase?
James Shanahan
That’s correct.
Patrick O’Shaughnessy
Okay. Great, thank you very much.
Operator
And we have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. I’ll now turn the call back over to Rudy for closing remarks. Rudy?
Ruediger Adolf
Thank you. In closing, we are very pleased with how our business is performing and how well our partner firms continue to navigate the difficult market backdrop. It is in environments like this when we — when the value of what they do really shows positioning them for strong growth and financial performance as markets recover.
Based on the secular tailwinds driving industry consolidation and are not market dependent there, the industry opportunity remains substantial and is growing. We are remaining nimble and extremely disciplined in our capital deployment. We have a robust pipeline and are taking advantage of the current environment to execute on the transactions that we believe will deliver significant upside in the future.
Our strong fundamentals and high cash flow generation continue to demonstrate the resiliency of our business, reflecting the benefits of our revenue diversification, variable cost base and our structural earnings preference. We are confident in our ability to capitalize on the substantial future growth opportunity of our business.
Our partnership is highly differentiated and would be very difficult to replicate, and we operate within a growing industry with very attractive characteristics. Together, these elements position us to deliver superior value to our shareholders over the long term. Thank you all for your interest.
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