WSP Global Inc. (OTCPK:WSPOF) Q3 2022 Earnings Call Transcript November 10, 2022 8:00 AM ET
Company Participants
Quentin Weber – Investor Relations
Alexandre L’Heureux – President & Chief Executive Officer
Alain Michaud – Chief Financial Officer
Conference Call Participants
Jacob Bout – CIBC
Jonathan Lamers – LB Securities
Ian Gillies – Stifel
Mike Tupholme – TD Securities
Maxim Sytchev – NBF
Frederic Bastien – Raymond James
Sabahat Khan – RBC
Operator
Welcome to WSP’s Third Quarter 2022 Results Conference Call. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Quentin Weber, Investor Relations. [Foreign Language]
Please go ahead, Mr. Weber.
Quentin Weber
Good morning. Bonjour. We hope that you are doing well and thank you for joining our call today. We will be discussing our Q3 2022 performance, followed by a Q&A session. Joining us today are Alexandre L’Heureux, our President and CEO; and Alain Michaud, our CFO. Please note that this call is also accessible on our website via webcast.
During the call, we will be making some forward-looking statements. Actual results could differ from those expressed or implied. We undertake no obligation to update or revise any of these statements. Relevant factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those forward-looking statements are listed in our MD&A for the year ended December 31, 2021.
Also, during the call, we may refer to certain non-IFRS measures. These measures are defined in our MD&A for the quarter that ended October 1, 2022, which can be found on SEDAR and on our website. Our MD&A also includes reconciliations of non-IFRS measures to the most directly comparable IFRS measures. Management believes that these non-IFRS measures provide useful information to investors regarding the corporation’s financial condition and results of operation, as they provide additional key metrics of its performance.
These non-IFRS measures are not recognized under IFRS. We do not have any standardized meaning prescribed under IFRS and may differ from similarly named measures as reported by other issuers and accordingly may not be comparable. These measures should not be viewed as a substitute for the related financial information prepared in accordance with IFRS.
I will now turn the call over to Alexandre.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Thank you, Quentin, and good morning, everyone. During the third quarter of 2022, we continue to build on the momentum we experienced in the first half of the year in addition to closing significant transactions.
As a result, we welcome over 7,300 new employees from recent acquisitions, strengthening our presence in key markets and geographies. Organically, we also increased our headcount by 3,200 in 2022 demonstrating the strength of our brand as we recruit new talent organically. In total, we have grown our workforce by 10,500 people in 2022, all while successfully delivering on our projects and being focused on our markets and our performance.
I’m going to kick off this call by touching on three key highlights. First, our third quarter results are slightly ahead of our expectations. We achieved solid organic net revenue growth across all our segments and improvements in adjusted EBITDA and adjusted net earnings in addition to maintaining a very healthy backlog.
Second, and as just mentioned, since June of this year we closed six acquisitions including the E&I business of John Wood Group, our largest transaction this year. The integration of these businesses are underway and progressing as planned. Lastly, we successfully completed in August an equity offering of CAD 920 million, providing us with a solid balance sheet going into 2023.
To set some structure for this call, I’m going to expand on some of our recent achievements and Alain will cover our financial performance. Beginning with recent acquisitions, Wood E&I is now officially closed and the integration is progressing as planned. We are already benefiting from the collaboration between businesses and seizing opportunities across various markets.
For example, our team is working together on an offshore wind project in the state of New York, combining a strong brand in offshore wind with the depth, skill set and solid client relationship. This has translated into a very robust client offering.
We’re also making key nominations from our recent acquisitions, including the appointment of Joe Sczurko as President of our Earth and Environment business in the USA, representing more than 6,000 employees. Joe was previously the CEO of the Global Consulting business unit of the John Wood Group, which was mainly composed of the E&I business we just acquired.
In September, we also closed the previously announced acquisition of Capita REI and GL Hearn. The two businesses are now being integrated into our UK platform, adding depth and expertise to our advisory engineering business across the country.
Emerging success stories include stepping into support one another current projects, aligning our opportunities and combining forces to a new work. In a bid for an accurate project, REI is now supporting WSP’s consortium, enhancing the strength of our bid.
Our recent acquisition include GreenCap in Australia, Madrid based BOD and Odeh Engineering in the US. These acquisitions support our regional and global ambitions by reinforcing our service offerings in key sectors and strengthening our presence in key geographies.
Our M&A activity demonstrates our opportunistic and disciplined approach to acquisition and we do not foresee the future to be any different. We will continue to allocate our capital in accordance with our strategic plan with a view to maximize shareholder value.
Now moving to our recent industry awards and recognitions. Starting with the ENR ranking WSP took the number one position in ENR Magazine’s 2022 list of the top 225 International Design Firms for the Second Consecutive Year. We also achieved leading position in transportation, buildings, power, water, hazardous waste and manufacturing. We’re also thrilled to have won the two Environmental Analyst Sustainability Consulting Awards. These awards recognize our leadership role in sustainability and resilience.
Additionally, the acquisition of E&I has enabled us to strengthen our market position and take the lead in environment analyst top 100 environmental and sustainability consultancy firms for 2022. In our quest to become the undisputed leader in our industry, these recognitions demonstrate WSP’s continued focus on achieving its strategic ambition.
On the topic of ESG, we continue to reinforce our leadership and commitments. In 2021, WSP committed to reaching net zero by 2040 across its value chain, supported by greenhouse gas emissions reduction targets approved by the science-based target initiative. Just at the end of last month, we received official approval for net zero target under the SBTi new net-zero standard. We are proud to be among the leading companies to receive this recognition.
To support our climate commitments, we recently launched our climate transition plan, a crucial element of our journey to reduce GHG emissions, as it set out concrete action. Having a solid action plan to decarbonize our own active — to drive growth with our clients including helping them on their own decarbonization journeys.
At this moment, WSP experts have joined world leaders and industry professionals to accelerate climate action and find solutions to the world’s environmental and social challenges at the 27th Annual Climate Change Conference known as COP27.
In December, WSP will actively contribute to the COP15 conference in Montreal. COP15 will look at the implementation of protocols of the convention on biodiversity. We are honored to share the influence of WSP has on the ways to reduce negative impacts on our planet and more announcements are to come in that regard.
Transitioning over to our recent wins, I would like to highlight two notable projects. First, WSP and its partners were recently awarded the opportunity to completely redesign New York, Penn Station. The project involves providing a preliminary design for the long-awaited transformation of the station, creating a world-class transportation facility that will relive overcrowding — or relief I’m so sorry overcrowding improve safety and deliver righter focused transit experience.
This project will reshape Penn Station into a single-level facility centered around a grand train hall with a 450-foot long skylit atrium between Madison Square Garden and two Penn Plaza. It will benefit from deep collaboration across our transportation buildings and advisory business lines.
And the second project is for Boeing. WSP was selected to provide environmental health and safety services as well as sustainability-related due diligence activities for various Boeing sites across the world. This project is a great example of an opportunity to leverage our global platform, and allow us to expand from national to international contracts increasing our portfolio enormously. WSP was able to emphasize its long-standing relationship with Boeing and its subsequent familiarity with company systems, providing significant time and cost benefits from Boeing — for Boeing.
In the US, we continue to be well positioned to win work through the ongoing stimulus plan of federal funding for highway, transit, energy and water projects among others are being deployed. The benefit for WSP will play out over several years and may not peak until 2025. We could expect a positive impact in early 2023 due to the timing of awards for the programs continuing through the year, but the situation remains fluid.
Before I pass it to Alain to review our financial results in greater detail, let me say that I’m very proud of our performance. We had another good quarter with great achievements on many fronts including a recent reduction in turnover and continued success at increasing our headcount to support our growth journey despite a tight labor market.
On that note Alain over to you.
Alain Michaud
Thanks, Alex, and hello everyone. I’m very pleased this morning to report on our results for the third quarter. So let me start with top line. So for the third quarter revenues and net revenues reached $2.9 billion and $2.2 billion respectively, up 9% and 8% compared to Q3 2021. The quarter’s solid net revenue organic growth of 8% was powered by all our regions led by Canada, the US, Australia and the UK.
Backlog as of the end of Q3 stood at $13.3 billion which is equivalent to 12.3 months of revenues. In the nine-month and 12-month period that ended October 1 our backlog grew organically across all regions by 11% and 15% respectively. We are monitoring our backlog closely and our client continues to be committed to their project and our pipeline of opportunities remain healthy.
Moving on to profitability. Adjusted EBITDA reached $407 million, up 8% compared to the same period in 2021. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the quarter reached 18.6% stable versus Q3 2021. Adjusted net earnings for the quarter stood at $193 million or $1.59 per share, up approximately $14 million and $0.06 per share respectively compared to Q3 2021. The respective increases in these metrics are mainly attributable to higher adjusted EBITDA.
Let me now take a few moments to highlight key points on our free cash flow. For Q3 2022, free cash flow stood at $37 million. The main contributor to the variation versus Q3 2021 is an additional period of payroll in 2022 versus 2021, representing an outflow of approximately $125 million. This situation will reverse in the fourth quarter of 2022.
Year-to-date in addition to the payroll impact our free cash flow was also influenced by increased tax payment due to a recent change in tax regulation in the US, which delays the deductibility of R&D expenses. This represents approximately $100 million of additional cash tax in 2022.
In addition and as expected, we are observing a continued normalization of our DSO to pre-pandemic level. Since the beginning of the year, our DSO has increased from 66 days to 75 days in line with our 2022 annual target range. From a modeling perspective, each day of DSO represent approximately $30 million of free cash flow. And as a reminder, Q4 is typically our strongest quarter of cash collection.
Finally, when excluding the impact of changes in tax regulation in the US, we are still targeting to convert approximately 100% of our net earnings into free cash flow. As of October 1, 2022 the net debt-to-adjusted EBITDA ratio stood at 1.8 incorporating a full 12 months of estimated adjusted EBITDA of all recently acquired businesses. We expect this ratio to range between 1.4 and 1.5 as of December 31, 2022.
During the quarter, WSP declared a dividend of $0.375 per share for shareholders on record as of September 30, 2022. This dividend was paid on October 17 and with a 49.1% DRIP participation the net cash outlay reached $23.7 million.
On financial outlook for 2022 issued in Q4 2021 press release is adjusted with increased net revenues now expected to range between $8.8 billion and $8.9 billion, and an increased adjusted EBITDA now expected to range between $1.51 billion and $1.53 billion.
Also, acquisition integration and reorganization costs are now expected to range between $80 million and $90 million due to our recent M&A activities. Lastly, we would like to remind you that Q4 2022 will have fewer billable days than in Q4 2021, which will offset the additional billable days we had in Q1 2022 and versus Q1 2021.
On that, back to you Alex.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Thank you Alain. I will conclude by stating that I’m very proud of our performance in the third quarter, which reflects continued momentum across our business and strong execution by our team. Considering this momentum and our solid balance sheet providing both agility and resiliency, we are increasing our financial outlook and we are moving into the year’s final stretch with confidence and a continued focus on executing on our plan with discipline. We look forward to updating you on our 2023 operating plan in Q4.
With that, we will now proceed to the Q&A session. Thank you.
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We are now going to take our first question. The questions comes from the line of Jacob Bout from CIBC. Please ask your question.
Jacob Bout
Good morning.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Hello, Jacob.
Alain Michaud
Hi, Jacob.
Jacob Bout
Maybe just start off just talking about if you provide a bit of commentary on lessons learned from this RPS experience. Does this set a new precedent going forward, especially as you think about future M&A and say earth environment or water targets?
Alexandre L’Heureux
I’m not sure it’s a precedent, because it’s happening time and time again around and across — around the world, Jacob. And it’s the second time that we’ve experienced something like that at WSP, you will remember in 2016, there was a counter bid on the Suite Group an acquisition for which I had made an offer and WSP has decided not to pursue the opportunity.
The reality Jacob is that we are — when it comes down to acquisition and to our strat plan. We’re very disciplined and we’re not going to move away from our set goals and our set plants. And if we had made this offer in the first place is because we believe this company was valued properly at that time. And we were not prepared to change our view in that regard.
Jacob Bout
Okay. And then my second question here is around revenue growth going into 2023, given the strong organic growth that you’re seeing this record backlog, is there any reason this type of revenue growth should — organic revenue growth shouldn’t continue to 2023? And then maybe just comment on are you seeing any change in client behavior at all either given your inflationary pressures or risk of recession?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Well, let me answer the first part of your question. First and foremost, we’re going into 2023 and we’re still very much committed to the financial ambitions that we have unveiled in February, our three-year plan, which means that I can’t tell you I’m not sure I’m going to announce anything special here, but that we’re clearly forecasting organic growth next year.
So I think we’re going into 2023 feeling good given the year that we’ve had in 2022. But I think at the same time, we need to be in touch with our local markets. We need to be focused on the local markets, and things could change fairly rapidly.
Are we seeing the proposal activity level going down at the moment? No. Are we seeing — are we winning more than our share of work at the moment? Yes. Are we feeling good about the backlog that we have? Absolutely. So we’re very pleased about that.
But obviously, when you’re faced with the potential recession you got to be cautious about it. And you have to be in touch, as I said before, with your local market. So, we are going to monitor that in 2023. But for now, I can tell you that, we’re performing very well and there’s a lot of activity going on at the moment.
Jacob Bout
Great. Thank you.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Thank you so much.
Alain Michaud
Thank you, Jacob.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] We are now going to proceed with the next question. The questions come from the line of Jonathan Lamers from LB Securities. Please ask your question.
Jonathan Lamers
Good morning.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Good morning, Jonathan.
Jonathan Lamers
So if I could ask the organic growth question a different way. Year-to-date the organic growth has been well above the initial guidance that was provided in March. Could you comment on where it has been stronger versus your forecast? If you could comment on inflation and volume that would be helpful.
Alain Michaud
Yes. I could take that one Jonathan. So the first comment I would make, just be careful when you look at year-to-date results on growth. I need to remind ourselves that our Q1, if you remember we had additional billable days. So when you normalize that, your growth of 8% that we see year-to-date is coming down by about two, four percentage points, so about 6%, which is on the higher end of our range that we have announced in March. So for us, the performance that you see thus far is reflective of higher end of the range performance we were planning at the beginning of the year.
Alexandre L’Heureux
And I think Alain indicated this in his address. I think in Q4, we’ll have fewer billable days. So when you look at our outlook on an annual basis, it’s going to fall within the disclosed outlook and we’re confident it’s going to fall into the disclosed outlook or revised outlook that we provided you with today. But at the same time, there’s a recognition that it’s going to be in the higher end of the range of the outlook. So in some fashion, we are obviously very pleased with the way the year has been going on for us.
Jonathan Lamers
Okay. Thanks for your comments.
Alain Michaud
Thank you, Jonathan.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Ian Gillies from Stifel. Please ask your question.
Ian Gillies
Good morning, everyone.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Good morning.
Alain Michaud
Good morning, Ian.
Ian Gillies
This is a bit of an out-of-the-box question. Staffing has obviously been a challenge, and acquiring talent and adding talent is obviously, been a key focus for some time. When I look across the landscape of these tech companies and engineering companies doing layoffs, do you see any opportunity to add any of those people into the fold for the work that you do or the — I guess the core comments is just too different? And does it create any sort of opportunity for automation within your business or things of that nature?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Look I’m not sure Ian that this is well known but — by our investment community but — or by the investment community. But WSP is not just — and there’s nothing wrong with that by the way. But it’s not, no longer just an engineering firm. And that’s why we’re talking about being a consulting firm. I think today, our workforce, it’s one of the most diverse workforce, that you could find in the management consulting business. We have economists. We have financial analysts. We have biologists. We have scientists. We have tech experts. We have IT engineers.
So of course, we are taking advantage of what’s going on in the workforce in the labor market. And more importantly, we are taking advantage of our brand to attract the smartest and brightest individuals in our industry but also outside of our industry. And that’s what we’ve been applying ourselves to do for a long time. And I think it’s paying off. I think we’ve attracted high-caliber individuals to the organization. And you are right that we are now in a position to expand the scope of services that we are offering to our clients, from digital offering all the way down to detailed design work that we’ve done and we’re known for.
Ian Gillies
Okay. That’s helpful. The other concept I wanted to touch on was on the Earth & Environment side. And whether there’s any updated views on, I guess, how much of a project is taken up by permitting Earth & Environment type work today versus five years ago, just as a rule of thumb, because it’s obviously, increasing of importance?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Social acceptability Ian is now — it’s no longer an option. It’s a prerequisite requirement. So there’s nothing that is being built unless, there’s been some impact studies being conducted. And there’s been the proper permitting being secured. So life has changed, and it’s never going to come back to what we used to know like 2010, a decade ago or even 20 years ago.
And the whole thesis behind growing a leading platform in the Earth & Environment is because we wanted to be there at the beginning of a project where we could advise and support our clients and then, bring the scope of services that we can offer to our clients, so that we can deliver a future-ready project. So meaning that we designed today but with the future in mind. And being there early on in the process is for us very, very important. And that’s why in 2017, 2018 we chose to take an aggressive stance on this and grow a platform accordingly.
Ian Gillies
Okay. And then if I could sneak in one more with respect to the UK. In the MD&A, I believe you noted double-digit organic growth for the last number of quarters. There’s obviously been a change in leadership there. There seems to be a lot going on in that market. When do you think you start to get a sense of where the spending cuts are going to come and the impacts on your business?
Alexandre L’Heureux
I think it’s going to happen fairly soon. I think there’s a mini budget that will be announced I don’t know. I think – if my memory is not failing me, I think it’s November 17 or something like that. So I think we’ll know more at this time. Look, obviously we are extremely pleased with the way our UK business has been performing. And frankly our Central European business has been performing. For me this goes into the column of very pleased and in some ways above my expectations. But we have an incredible business in the UK.
We have in my personal being in the leading platform over there. And we have probably one if not the most diverse platform in the UK. So we are in a position to win in all of the segments. So if the private sector and should the planning advisory sector is cooling off and in a recession you would need to expect that.
Well, I believe that in our public sector exposure we will be able to compensate in some ways the cool down or the cooling off of perhaps the private sector and the planning sector for instance. So to be seen and I promise you to update you on a quarterly basis as I see it. But for now I mean we’re extremely pleased with the way our cluster EMEA has been performing in 2022.
Ian Gillies
Okay. Thank you very much. I’ll turn the call back over.
Alain Michaud
Thank you
Alexandre L’Heureux
Thanks, Dan.
Operator
We are now going to proceed with our next question. It is from the line of Mike Tupholme from TD Securities. Please ask your question.
Mike Tupholme
Thank you, good morning.
Alain Michaud
Good morning, Mike.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Hello, Michael.
Mike Tupholme
Good morning. First question just another question regarding the organic growth outlook as we look ahead to next year. I know you’re still in your 2023 budgeting process. And obviously, there’s a degree of heightened uncertainty around the broader economic outlook at the moment so that kind of clouds things presumably. But wondering if you can talk about what end markets and/or what regions you’re most upbeat about in terms of organic growth as you look ahead to next year?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Well we are going to update you in more details at the end of Q4 Michael. But obviously, I think you look at the backlog that we have in North America. I have to admit that I’m extremely – I’m feeling good about our North American market. It’s been a very strong market in 2022. And given like the announcement that have been made by our respective federal governments in the US and in Canada obviously, it’s difficult not to feel good about the prospect. But I’m not prepared just yet to say that our European countries are going to go to a very, very, very difficult time next year.
I think with what we know today we’re also going in still feeling good about EMEA. And similarly, I think Asia Pacific has had a good organic growth year by all standards. And we hope that this would continue next year. So all in all, as I said during my address at the beginning, I think you look at the financial ambitions that we have set for the company in February for the next three years. And in my personal opinion, at this point in time there are absolutely no reason why we should change course. I’m feeling good about the business and I’m feeling good about the team that we have, the leaders that we have. And I’m confident that we’re going to find a way to deliver on the ambitions that we have set for the company at this time. I’m actually feeling very good about it.
Mike Tupholme
That’s helpful. Thanks, Alex. And then I guess second question in your prepared remarks you mentioned that the integration of the company’s recently acquired businesses is going well. Just wondering if you can provide any more detail on that process and particularly as it relates to the larger E&I acquisition?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Yes. I think the – the first thing that we apply ourselves to do is really to look into the leadership of our Earth & Environment business globally. We need to remember that we have now over 20,000 people experts in this sector. This is a very large segment of WSP is now representing more than – it’s like 32%, 33% of our company. So this is not de minimis and this is a sector that is having a great impact on our company. And we need to remember that just not three, four years ago, we had about 300 people in environment in the US. Now we have more than 6,000 leaders and professionals working in Earth & Environment in the US alone. So we needed a strong leader to take the lead for this business. And I thought that Joe Sczurko, the previous CEO of our – of the Wood E&I business was the best leader to take our 6,000 professional on the journey of success. So we’ve applied ourselves to make sure that we’re ready to action, we’re ready to win work and making sure that people are aligned. And today, I can tell you that our Canadian business is very well positioned, to win in the marketplace. And equally now, I feel we have the structure in the US to make an impact. So some we’re looking very — I’m feeling very good about the acquisition at this time.
Mike Tupholme
All right. That’s helpful. Thank you Alex.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Thank you.
Operator
We are now going to proceed with our next question. And the questions come from line of Maxim Sytchev from NBF. Please ask your question.
Maxim Sytchev
Hi, good morning gentlemen and the third quarter. Alex, I was wondering if you can comment maybe on sort of the M&A pipeline and maybe sort of expectations from sellers supply seeing a little bit less PE interest? Yes maybe just any color or what perhaps maybe it differs by market? Thanks.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Yes. Max, first and foremost, I mean given the six acquisitions that we’ve completed already this year I feel we’re probably ahead on our plan. As we look at the strategic ambitions, that we had set. So I think it’s been a very successful year so far. And obviously, I think the pipeline is still very healthy. Obviously, we I’m sure you’ve heard me saying that many times before, it’s the very difficult to time acquisitions. Sometimes they’re coming as a bunch, and some other times it takes you a bit — it takes a while for transactions to materialize. I feel we have a very good pipeline and still having very informal and sometimes more formal discussions with some companies.
I’m confident that given the strong balance sheet that we have with our recent fund raise, going into 2023 with the integration of E&I going very well, that we are going to be able to be opportunistic in a market like this. And you said it yourself, I think, given the interest rate, given the market I think that the strategics have and will have at some point in time, an advantage and WSP just want to be ready and positioned to take advantage of that. So we just need to be patient, and not get excited or really excited and wait for the right opportunity to come along. And if we are patient and stay focused and disciplined on our strategy, I’m confident that that will happen.
Maxim Sytchev
Right. Okay. Excellent. And then just a couple of other small ones. I think in past quarters you mentioned data centers being sort of a growth driver for buildings. Wondering right now, if — I guess how big of a market that is and given the tax spending sort of curtailments, if we should expect any sort of deceleration to actually show up in the numbers or other sort of other verticals picking up the slack? Thanks.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Yes. I don’t expect a slowdown anytime soon. And this is a practice that we’ve started initially in North America, and we continue to expand in North America very rapidly. But what’s been amazing with the few acquisitions that we completed in recent years, is now that we have been able to bring or to export these expertise on the European continent and also in Asia. So we are doing a lot of work for the Facebook and the Google of the world, in Europe, in Germany and elsewhere, but also in Singapore and in Asia, and Asia Pacific. So I think this has been a very good example, of two, three small acquisitions that turn out to be a great diving board for us to export this expertise, as a center of excellence from one location to many other locations, in our network. So I expect this to continue.
Maxim Sytchev
Okay. Excellent points. And lastly just in terms of, the mining space obviously, Golder was very strong in that, seems to be still a pretty decent market. Just wondering if you can provide any comments there in terms of, that vertical specifically? Thanks.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Yes. Look, your question is so timely. Yesterday, was our Board and we had Kevin Buchan, presenting at our Board on the mining sector. I’m personally, and as a company we’re still very bullish around the mining sector. And the opportunity around ESG are so tremendous Max. And again, I think given our acquisition of Golder, E&I and all of the recent acquisitions we did in climate change and the people we were able to recruit. It’s not just about providing design work for the mining sector. It’s about supporting those C-suites — the C-suites of those companies and the transition — the green transition, of this industry.
So — and let’s remember, that that’s an industry that is becoming more and more and more sophisticated. So that’s certainly, an industry that we are proud to be part of. And the growth profile for next year should be equally good as far as we are concerned. Obviously, we don’t have a crystal ball, but we’re feeling good about it.
Maxim Sytchev
Excellent. Thank you. that’s it for me.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Thank you.
Operator
We are now going to proceed with our next question. And the question is from the line of Frederic Bastien from Raymond James. Please ask your question.
Frederic Bastien
[Foreign Language] Guys you’ve been flagging the Middle East as an area of strength for quite some time, but I recall this region slowing down dramatically when oil prices rolled over seven eight years ago. How different or how resilient are your activities in the Middle East now?
Alexandre L’Heureux
I think I would say over the last like, right after the 2014 downturn in the oil and gas sector Fred, we’ve taken a very cautious approach to the region. Now, we took a very cautious approach to the region and we’ve been extremely selective and the way we pursue work…..
Alexandre L’Heureux
I think I would say over the last like right after the 2014 downturn in the oil and gas sector Fred, we’ve taken a very cautious approach to the region. No, we took a very cautious approach to the region. And we’ve been extremely selective and the way we pursue work.
I also have been quite demanding in the prepayment that we have been requiring in order for to, pursue work. So if today you look at our DSO compared to where they were seven, eight years ago, I mean, there’s no comparison.
So today this is a region where we are generating margins that are essentially in line with the average margin profile that we generate as a company. We have a DSO profile that is essentially close, if not at the average of what we’re able to achieve globally.
And we have organic growth that, perhaps it’s a bit lower than what we generally generate globally for the reasons that I just explained. We are very disciplined, as an organization. And we are very selective in the projects that we undertake.
And also, overtime we’ve transformed the business. And we do a lot more project management work and owner’s engineer work, than perhaps the detailed design work that we used to do in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012.
So overtime we have transformed the organization. So for all those reasons, I think we are doing well in the region. But we have memories of the past. And we don’t forget that. So we are extremely careful in the way we are selecting projects.
Frederic Bastien
That’s good to hear, Alex. Thanks. And then moving on to Sweden, it’s been a relatively quiet region for WSP recently, but momentum seems to be picking up there. Can you discuss what’s driving that? That obviously seems to be a contradiction to what you were seeing out there?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Yeah. We promoted a new leader more than — actually almost a year ago, a bit more than a year ago. And obviously it takes time for the leader to just to turn the corner and get ready to execute.
So that leader is the next Golder executive. So she is known to us. This was an internal promotion. We’re working closely with Anna-Lena. And she’s doing a very good job, an amazing job. And we’re very, very committed to the region.
We need to remember that, the Nordics WSP is one of the only International, firm to have a leadership position in that part of the world. So we’re very committed to the region. It’s an incredible place to do business.
And obviously, we all know what’s happening in the world right now. And obviously we’re taking we’re very focused on this. And we’re watching the market very closely. But at the same time we know that we have a good business there. And we’re continuing to deliver. We continue to deliver, I’m sorry.
Frederic Bastien
Great, thanks. Keep it going guys.
Alain Michaud
Thank you.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Thanks, Frederic.
Operator
We are now going to proceed with our next question. The question is from the line of Sabahat Khan from RBC. Please ask your question.
Sabahat Khan
Great. Thanks and good morning. I just wanted to get a little bit of color on what you’re seeing out there on sort of the pricing discussions that you’re having. Presumably, for this last year maybe into 2023 your backlog does reflect some of the inflation that you’ve experienced.
As you’re having discussions about the pipeline beyond sort of 12 months how are you seeing the pricing trends there? Are they starting to sort of come back to kind of call it normal levels? Just want to get a perspective on that part of the kind of the outlook.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Look, I think our industry is not any different about to, what we are experience globally. I mean inflation of 7%, 8%.
I mean, to suggest or to sit here and tell you that this is not going to have — it’s not having an impact on pricing in an industry, I think would just not be very honest. So obviously inflation is — and I said that on the last call inflation is — it’s not good news for anybody. There’s no good news in times of inflation.
Having said all that, WSP we are able to engage with our client base and are able to negotiate rates that are essentially reflective of the environment in which we operate at the moment. And on top of it, we need to remember that, I would say in excess of 90% of our costs are variable costs. So that too is something that we keep in mind. And we watch for.
I think in order to preserve and defend the margin profile, there’s many levers that we need to action from amendments with clients, and negotiation with clients, to increase utilization, to making sure that we’re very strong in our recruitment process and are leading the way in that regard. And also our frugal in the way we manage the business. So, I think, there’s not one single solution for us to increase our margin profile this year. It’s many levers and I think, we’re fairly focused on all of them at the moment.
Sabahat Khan
Okay. Great. And then just maybe following up on your last comment there. It sounds like from the commentary demand is still good. You’re still, sort of, hiring but how are you, sort of, balancing the addition of new folks to make sure you have enough versus just maybe not hiring too much. I don’t know if the concept of contract work exists for some of the employees given their — what they do. I just want to get your idea of how you’re, sort of, managing that?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Well depending on which sector you’re looking at absolutely we have contract work so especially in field work when the summer season is over I mean we — those contractual workers are going to leave the business. And it’s been like that for as long as I remember. So look this is a balancing act. You don’t want to get ahead of yourself, especially, in time of inflation.
There’s a danger as an organization that you could get ahead of yourself and that you’re either hiring too much or increasing your costs too much, especially, in the face of a potential recession. So we’re very focused on making sure that we are filling positions for project-ready work. And obviously, given our track record at recruiting people, we want to wait to get a clear green light from the clients on backlog projects and soft backlog projects before we do anything. So we are quite careful about this.
Sabahat Khan
Okay. One last quick one if we can. I know you’ve got an ERP implementation going on you’ve got a new leader in the tech space. Maybe just an update on kind of what part of that ERP process has been completed to-date?
Alain Michaud
Sure. Thank you, Sabahat for that question. So it’s a project where, first of all, we’re building a global platform for all our regions. So it’s not a — a regional specific design solution. So what we’ve been working on for the last little while last year actually was to design this global template that every region will now use going forward.
And this is essentially completed. We’re now focusing our effort on rolling out this platform in the first region. We’re still on plan for rolling out in early 2023. So it’s going well. The team is excited.
We actually have our team from the Canadian rollout in Montreal this week. And there’s the team also that’s starting to get ready for rollout in the US and in the UK and that’s also collaborating that are here in Montreal as well. So it’s actually a good vibe. It’s a lot of hard work. We — obviously we remain cautious and disciplined on this project, but things are going well. And the dashboard currently is looking good on this project.
Sabahat Khan
Sorry, if I could just squeeze in one more. I guess, would you be bringing the Wood business on to this platform, or are they already on a similar platform the E&I business?
Alain Michaud
We’re assessing this. They’re on a different platform now. The plan is to roll them in on the new platform as well.
Sabahat Khan
Thanks very much.
Alain Michaud
Yes. Thank you.
Operator
We are now done with the session for today. Now we pass it back to WSP for closing remarks. Thank you.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Thank you so much for attending this call. We look forward to updating you on our 2023 operating plan in Q4 of this year. And again if you do have any questions related to this quarter or any other questions please feel free to reach out to Quentin or Alain or myself offline. Thank you very much and I wish you a great day. Bye-bye.
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.
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