AMG Advanced Metallurgical Group N.V. (OTCPK:AMVMF) Q2 2022 Earnings Conference Call July 28, 2022 9:00 AM ET
Company Participants
Michele Fischer – Vice President of Investor Relations
Heinz Schimmelbusch – Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
Jackson Dunckel – Chief Financial Officer
Eric Jackson – Chief Operating Officer
Conference Call Participants
Stijn Demeester – ING
Henk Veerman – Kempen
Martijn den Drijver – ABN AMRO
Operator
Good day, and welcome to the AMG Q2 2022 Earnings Conference Call. Today’s conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Ms. Michele Fischer, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Michele Fischer
Welcome to AMG’s Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. Joining me on this call are Dr. Heinz Schimmelbusch, the Chairman of the Management Board and Chief Executive Officer; Mr. Jackson Dunckel, the Chief Financial Officer; and Mr. Eric Jackson, the Chief Operating Officer.
AMG’s second quarter 2022 earnings press release issued earlier today is on AMG’s website. Today’s call will begin with a review of the Second Quarter 2022 business highlights by Dr. Schimmelbusch; Mr. Dunckel will comment on AMG’s financial results, and Mr. Jackson will discuss operations. At the completion of Mr. Jackson’s remarks, Dr. Schimmelbusch will comment on strategy and outlook. We will then open the call to take your questions.
Before I pass the call to Dr. Schimmelbusch, I would like to comment on forward-looking statements. This conference call could contain forward-looking statements about AMG Advanced Metallurgical Group. Forward-looking statements are not historical facts, but may include statements concerning AMG’s plans, expectations, future revenues or performance, financing needs, plans and intentions related to acquisitions, AMG’s competitive strengths and weaknesses, reserves, financial position and future operations and development, AMG’s business strategy and the trends AMG anticipates in the industries and political and legal environment in which it operates and other similar or different information that is not historical information. When used in this conference call, the words expects, believes, anticipates, plans, may, will, should and similar expressions and the negatives thereof are intended to identify forward-looking statements. By their very nature, forward-looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties, both general and specific, and risks exist that any predictions, forecasts or similar projections contained by such forward-looking statements will not be achieved. These forward-looking statements speak only as the date of this conference. AMG expressly disclaims any obligation [Indiscernible] or revisions to any forward-looking statements contained herein to reflect any change in AMG’s expectations with regard thereto or any change in events, conditions or circumstances on which any forward-looking statement is based.
I will now pass the floor to Dr. Schimmelbusch, AMG’s Chairman of the Management Board and Chief Executive Officer.
Heinz Schimmelbusch
Thank you, Michele. I’m very pleased to announce that AMG generated the highest quarterly EBITDA in our history in the second quarter of 2022. EBITDA for Q2 2022 was EUR 81 million, up 156% from Q2 2021 and 48% higher than Q1 in 2022. This outstanding result is mainly driven by our AMG Clean Energy Materials segment, very strong lithium prices led to the improved profitability in AMG Brazil, as well as by increased aerospace activity within our AMG Critical Materials Technologies segment.
AMG’s major strategic project case in our AMG Clean Energy Materials segment and all of these projects are proceeding as planned. Each of these projects is oriented towards growing our production of electricity storage materials or increasing our footprint in the circular economy. Commissioning has started at the Zanesville, Ohio spent catalyst recycling facility.
The roasting plant has reached its design capacity and is undergoing the final performance test. Actually, since this was written, it has now completed its performance test. The melt shop is starting the commissioning process and the entire facility is expected to be fully operational this year. The expansion of AMG’s Brazil lithium concentrate production is proceeding as planned and the production is fully sold at market price long-term contracts.
AMG has begun construction of the first European lithium battery-grade hydroxide refinery for the first module of that upgrader and the commissioning will commence in the second half of 2023. AMG’s first Lithium Vanadium Battery or LIBA for industrial power management application has begun commissioning. This revolutionary technology represents a substantial market opportunity for the company.
SARBV and UCI, meaning – sorry, the meaning, Shell & AMG Recycling B.V. and United Company of Industries recently signed agreements in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. This joint venture plans to execute four distinct projects under an entity currency being formed and that is a company named in Saudi Arabia Advanced Circular Materials Company, ACMC.
One, build own and operate a conversion plant for vanadium containing gasification ash into vanadium oxide and we need to moleculate for redox flow batteries. Two, a spend catalyst recycling facility. Three, a fresh catalyst on the facility and four, mass energy storage facilities vanadium redox flow battery manufacturing-based.
Basic engineering for the first project has begun and we laid the foundation for all other projects with the supercenter. It will produce and sell high-purity vanadium oxide and vanadium electrolyte. This is the largest such project in the world and is under long-term market-based supply contracts with Aramco. The materials this project will produce are destined to feed the emerging vanadium redox flow battery market.
We are extremely pleased to announce the accomplishments of these strategic budgets, along with the best quarterly financial results in the history of the company.
I would now like to pass the floor to Jackson Dunckel, AMG’s Chief Financial Officer. Jackson?
Jackson Dunckel
Thank you, Heinz. I’ll be referring to the second quarter 2022 investor presentation posted today on our website. Starting on Page 3, this shows an overview of the financial highlights of the quarter. Revenue for the quarter increased by 42% to $424 million, this increase was mainly driven by the improved price environment relative to Q2 2021, which led to higher sales prices across all 3 of our segments, particularly AMG Clean Energy Materials.
Q2 2022 EBITDA was $81 million, a 158% increase versus the prior year. As you can see in the lower left corner, AMG continues to sequentially increase EBITDA each quarter, which we have done since the second quarter of 2020.
Net income to shareholders increased substantially to $29.6 million, compared to $3.6 million in Q2 2021. Net income was adversely affected by two non-cash items. One, a $3.8 million increase in our Brazilian tax expense and two, the $7.5 million foreign exchange loss due to an intergroup debt balance. Without these two non-cash effects, net income would have been $38.7 million.
Now I am going to turn to a review of our three segments. Let’s start with AMG Clean Energy Materials, which is shown on Page four of our presentation. On the top left, you can see that Q2 2022 revenues increased 77% versus Q2 2021 from $90 million to $160 million. This increase was driven mainly by higher prices in vanadium tantalum and lithium concentrates.
Sales volumes were down due to a shipping schedule – due to shipping scalable variances from AMG Brazil and maintenance downtime at our Cambridge facility. Gross profit before non-recurring items increased 282%, compared to Q2 2021, mostly due to the improved price environment.
Likewise, Q2 2022 EBITDA increased by $46 million to $58 million. Clean Energy Materials business segment, which is and will continue receiving the most capital investments within AMG and the CapEx shown at the bottom left of $33 million mainly reflects our investments into the Zanesville vanadium facility, our lithium hydroxide plants in Bitterfeld, Germany, and the expansion of our spodumene capacity in Brazil.
Turning now to Page 5 of our presentation, which shows AMG Critical Minerals. AMG Critical Minerals revenue increased 35% to $103 million, compared to Q2 2021, driven by strong sales volumes of antimony, the graphite as well as higher sales prices in silicon and antimony. Gross profit before nonrecurring items of $14 million was 5% higher than Q2 ’21. The higher gross profit was due to improved pricing and higher sales volumes and was offset by increased raw material prices as well as the ongoing rise in energy and shipping costs. EBITDA during the quarter was consistent with Q2 ’21 despite ongoing inflationary pressures, including the noted energy and shipping cost increases.
Moving on to AMG Critical Materials Technologies on Page 6. Starting on the top left, you can see that Q2 2022 revenues increased by $30 million or 22% versus Q2 2021. This improvement was due to higher sales volumes of titanium alloys and higher chrome metal pricing, both of which were associated with improving conditions in the recovering aerospace sector.
As a result, Q2 2022 gross profit before non-recurring items increased by 30% to $27 million. This increase drove AMG Critical Materials Technologies Q2 EBITDA to $13.8 million, compared to $9.6 million in Q2 last year.
AMG Engineering signed $60 million in new orders during Q2 2022, driven by strong orders of induction furnaces, representing a 1.1x book-to-bill ratio. Order backlog was $181 million as of June 30, 2022, slightly lower than the $183 million last quarter.
Turning now to Page 7 of the presentation, on the top left, you can see that AMG’s Q2 2022 SG&A expenses were $37 million versus $33 million in Q2 2021. This variance was driven largely by higher compensation expense due to improved profitability forecasted for the year and increased professional fees associated with the strategic projects. AMG’s Q2 2022 net finance costs were $12 million, compared to $4.8 million in Q2 2021. This increase, as previously mentioned was driven mainly by non-cash intergroup-related foreign exchange losses of $7.5 million during the quarter associated with the strengthening U.S. dollar versus the euro.
AMG capitalized $2.1 million of interest costs in Q2 2022 versus $3.8 million in Q2 2021, driven by interest associated with the company’s tax-exempt municipal bond supporting the vanadium expansion in Ohio. This decrease is due to a portion of the municipal bond interest costs, which are no longer being capitalized due to the ramp up of production at our Zanesville facility.
AMG reported net income tax expense of $23 million in the second quarter of 2022, compared to a benefit of $6 million in Q2 2021. This variance was mainly driven by improved financial performance and movements in the Brazilian real versus the U.S. dollar. The effects of the Brazilian real caused a $3.8 million non-cash tax expense in the second quarter of 2022 compared to a $12 million non-cash tax benefit in Q2 2021.
Movements in the Brazilian real exchange rate impact evaluation of the company’s net deferred tax positions related to our operations in Brazil.
AMG paid taxes of $9.1 million in Q2 2022, compared to $2.5 million in Q2 2021.
Turning to Page 8 of the presentation, you can see on the top left that cash from operating activities was $39.5 million in the second quarter of 2022 compared to $23 million in the same period in 2021. This increase in operating cash flow was due to higher pretax income.
AMG’s return on capital employed for the first six months of 2022 was 25.5%, more than double the 10% achieved in the same period in 2021 due to significantly higher profitability in the current period. It bears noting that this level of return on capital employed for an industrial company is exceptional.
AMG ended the quarter with $365 million of net debt with the increase versus year end due to the significant investment in growth initiatives.AMG’s pension liabilities have declined by $55 million during the year to $108 million, largely due to rising discount rates.
In today’s rising rate environment, it’s important to note that a majority of the company’s outstanding debt facilities are either fixed rate facilities or fixed due to interest rate swaps for the next several years. As such, AMG has an average interest rate charge across its two main debt instruments of 5%. Our advantageous long-term fixed borrowing combined with substantial operating cash flow generation is a key competitive advantage.
AMG’s low-cost interest rate allows the company to continue to invest in transformational strategic projects while maintaining a strong balance sheet. I would also like to note that our current equity attributable to shareholders has increased 33% to $357 million, another key sign of our balance sheet strength. As of June 30, 2022, AMG had $300 million of unrestricted cash and total liquidity of $476 million.
Before I conclude my remarks, allow me to point you to two new slides in the appendix. The first is on Page 17 – or Page 14, excuse me, shows the development of the spot lithium carbonate price versus the spot spodumene price. I would like to remind everyone that we have a three to four months revenue recognition lag in our contracts, so Q1 pricing was realized in Q2.
I would also like to remind everyone that our price is tied to the Asian metal market’s spot lithium carbonate price and not to spodumene prices.
Slide 15 shows AMG’s EBITDA by origin and destination for 2022. Given the current energy shortage in Germany we thought it was important to emphasize that only 12% of our projected 2022 EBITDA originates in Germany and only 6% is destined there. The geographic spread of our EBITDA is shown on this chart underpins our guidance, namely 70% originates in the Americas and 83% is sold into Asia and North America.
That concludes my remarks. Eric?
Eric Jackson
Thank you, Jackson. AMG’s operations performed exceptionally well during the second quarter. Demand for our products remained strong, driven by their criticality in the global transition to a low-carbon economy. We also, as you know, have off-take agreements at indexed market prices in place for many of our products, most significantly ferrovanadium and spodumene.
Our risk management and hedging programs are to a significant extent, covering additional costs, although energy prices and costs in Europe remain volatile and challenging, especially in Europe. Market prices were strong in the second quarter across our entire portfolio.
However, there has been some weakening in the last 45 days with a notable exception of lithium, which remains exceptionally strong. As noted, our spodumene production in AMG Brazil continues to operate at full capacity and our cost of production is at or below our initial estimates at the time of our investment decision.
Lithium prices increased significantly in the second quarter and remain exceptionally strong and as previously stated, our production is operating at full capacity and we are selling at index prices. As Dr. Schimmelbusch mentioned, the expansion project of AMG Brazil’s spodumene and lithium concentrate production is proceeding as planned and the production is sold at indexed market prices.
Our spend catalyst processing business is performing very well and is the global environmental leader in this space. The relevant market price index for ferrovanadium increased in the second quarter to just above $30 per pound. Spot index prices have now fallen to about $24.50 per pound. It’s important to note that AMG’s vanadium catalyst recycling business model is highly profitable at all vanadium prices.
Our Zanesville facility is progressing as plans. As Heinz just mentioned, the roaster has completed its long-term performance test. It was operational since April and the mill shop is expected to start up in late Q3. AMG Engineering’s diversified portfolio enabled the business unit to sign $59.8 million in new orders in the quarter, 1.1x book-to-bill and as it continues to benefit from improved aerospace markets, the chrome metal and titanium aluminide businesses are starting to benefit from improvements in aerospace and in the case of chrome, especially its diversified end-market position.
High purity chrome metal spot prices have recently declined slightly. However, they increased by 139% in Q2 2022 versus Q2 2021, and demand continues to be strong, especially in the U.S. markets.
The three business units in AMG Critical Minerals continue to operate at full capacity. However, spiking energy costs had an adverse impact on our second quarter results. AMG experienced significant increases in gas and electricity cost in the quarter with total energy costs being $9.9 million higher than Q2 2021. We do believe, however, that these businesses are low cost and highly competitive when compared to our peers.
We continue to focus on safety, operational improvements, risk management and delivering our strategic projects on time and on budgets with the overriding operational and commercial objectives to be the lowest-cost producer and sell at market prices. All of our business units operate with the highest priority on safety and continue to deliver safety performance far superior to our relevant peer group.
I’d like to pass the floor to Dr. Schimmelbusch, AMG’s Chief Executive Officer.
Heinz Schimmelbusch
Thank you, Eric. Now let me conclude with our earnings guidance. AMG continues to provide strong and consistent results despite the global economic fallout from the geopolitical turbulences in the recent months. We are continuing to focus on these things. We can – on the things we can control and I am extremely pleased with the noted achievements in our strategic initiatives, which will drive long-term value creation.
EBITDA was $81 million in Q2 2022, the highest quarterly EBITDA in AMG’s history. As mentioned, it was the eighth straight quarter of sequential improvement. As the year has progressed, AMG is increasing its EBITDA guidance for the full year 2022 to a range of between $280 million to $300 million. The range is supported by AMG’s geographic diversification and the strength of the global lithium market.
Operator, we would now like to open the line for questions.
Question-And-Answer Session
Operator
[Operator Instructions] And we take our first question from Stijn Demeester with ING. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Stijn Demeester
Yes, yes. Good morning to you and thanks for taking my questions. Three questions, if I may, and I will ask them one by one. So the first question is indeed on the guidance, I know that you don’t like to discuss price assumption here, but could you, in a broad sense, discuss when it’s baked into the guidance on a per quarter basis?
My assumption is that you have good visibility on Q3 prices given the three month lag in revenue recognition of the market price. So – and Q4 should benefit from the first contribution of Cambridge 2. Does that imply that your lithium prices 1% for Q4 is on the conservative side even though peers are adjusted to bar outcome have stated that they see the strong price momentum continuing in the second half? So, any color here on what you see for Q3 and Q4 for lithium prices would be very helpful. That’s my first question.
Heinz Schimmelbusch
If I understand you correctly, your implication on our conservativeness in price assumption is correct.
Stijn Demeester
Could you please elaborate on what you see in the marketor…?
Heinz Schimmelbusch
What we see in the market, we – the three to four months time lag is a general statement on average statistical statement. We touched into the fourth quarter already a little bit and despite of that, we are not aggressive in our price assumptions for the first quarter. And for the fourth quarter, that – and that has led to our guidance assessment to the shifting of the range.
And as I have indicated many times, we really go through guidance in a scrutinizing process and when we do so, then we are conservative.
Stijn Demeester
Understood. Understood. That’s helpful. The second question is on the JV with Shell. Congratulations here on the progress made in recent weeks. Now my question is, what timetables and capital outlay should we sort of start to take into account? And I assume that is for the first two elements of the supercenter, i.e., the gasification plant and the spent catalyst facility because my assumption is that this is sort of more prevalent for AMG. So, any color here on what you expect?
Heinz Schimmelbusch
The most – the strongest indication of the timetable of the first and most important project is that we – for this project are under basic engineering. We have been working on this for quite some time assuming that we would successfully sign this contract. The contract with Aramco and I am very careful in commenting on this, because we are proud of that and we are privileged of that relationship and we are building that relationship.
So we are expressing ourselves within the restrictions we are operating under this partnership atmosphere. We are – the whole thing is based on a long-term contract with high-purity vanadium containing specification ash from a very large gasification project and that is really the basic background for this building of this work gas facility.
It’s a unique source of raw material in the world. I think it’s the largest of such sources by far and it is a unique opportunity on the end-market side because, in my understanding, Saudi Arabia has very ambitious solar energy expansion plans and given the electricity structure in Saudi Arabia and the backup necessity in many ways of solar energy by energy storage. We believe that, that is – the explain the good profit opportunity to all parties involved.
And then, once we have high-purity vanadium extracted from that plant and the basic engineering it doesn’t allow us to give investment figures of extremely detailed nature because basic engineering is basic engineering. The feasibility study definition in this case is FEL3, if you know what that means. And so but it will be an investment of $170 million to $200 million under our present calculations. And…
Stijn Demeester
That’s AMG?
Heinz Schimmelbusch
No, no, that’s the project part. And of course, there are three partners of this project, Shell, AMG Recycling is two-thirds and you see our partner in Saudi Arabia is the third. So it is – it’s fairly well underway and we are building infrastructure and resources on the business, on the human resources side in a judicious fashion.
Then the second thing is to – once you have this – a material to turn it into electrolytes. We, of course, have been introducing electrolytes in AMG forever. So we know that technology. We also have processed gasification ash forever. So it’s a marriage between a very large resource, high content with vanadium and market leadership technology for converting that material first into high-purity vanadium and then in electrolytes.
And of course, that logically leads to the end-market and the end-market is batteries and we are presently having our first commissioning of our own battery, industrial application battery large-scale and we have several such projects underway and we hope to commissioning the first battery in September.
Now in order to complete the picture, the Shell participation in this supercenter is providing of technology for fresh catalyst and the fresh catalyst, of course, is a very important part of all of this because with our fresh catalyst still don’t have spent catalyst and there is an elaborate communication and collaboration now ongoing between Shell and Aramco in the development of these catalysts.
So – but we are not the leadership in that. We are learning what that is and challenging the leadership.
Stijn Demeester
And do you partake in the investment of the fresh catalyst center or in the first catalyst facility?
Heinz Schimmelbusch
We take part in the whole – whatever this joint venture – whatever this supercenter is doing, we are partner. We are actually very happy to be partner in fresh catalysts. This is an interesting business to be in.
Stijn Demeester
And your interest is 50% even though you bring in most of the know-how for the first two?
Heinz Schimmelbusch
Well, the level of license fees, look, this is a world gas structure. The level of license fees and technology is being compensated at arm’s length in every way.
Stijn Demeester
Okay. Helpful. My last question is for Jackson, on CapEx, you seem to be running below the low-end of the $175 million to $200 million guidance based on the first half. Is there an update needed for the guidance or is it simply phasing? And could you provide some direction for 2023?
Jackson Dunckel
No, there is no update. We will have CapEx acceleration as we conclude our Cambridge 2 CapEx. And also, we’re going to start spending more heavily both in Bitterfeld as well as in Brazil. So, we should be able to hit the guidance.
Stijn Demeester
Okay. On the low end or the high end?
Jackson Dunckel
Probably in the middle.
Stijn Demeester
Okay. Thanks. Thanks a lot to you. I will put myself back in the queue. Thanks.
Operator
Thank you. And we take our next question from Henk Veerman with Kempen.
Henk Veerman
Hi, good day all. Thank you for taking my questions. I have three, if I may. First question is on the impact of the shipping schedule variances in the Clean Energy Materials business unit, which sort of resulted in a delayed revenue recognition in the first half of this year into the second half. What is your estimate on the impact of that effect on EBITDA? That’s my first question.
Jackson Dunckel
Well, if you’re looking at the first half through the second half, there was no impact at all. We actually shipped way more in the first quarter than we did in the second quarter. So on a first half basis, it’s actually equal. So there was no effect.
Henk Veerman
Yeah.
Jackson Dunckel
There was an effect in the second quarter, but I am not going to say how big it was. It was not very big.
Henk Veerman
Okay. Second question is on your guidance, a follow-up on the question that Stijn asked. What – because yes, you already mentioned you are very conservative with regards to the full year EBITDA guidance. So, my question would be what if spot prices for lithium would stay where they are today for the next two months, so in August and September, am I correct to assume that that EBITDA guidance would offer all other factors constant that would rather be around $350 million to $330 million
Heinz Schimmelbusch
No, I’m not going into this. Please. What my philosophical comment is the guidance in itself, namely, the $280 million to $300 million guidance is conservative and the conservative – and that is based on our best estimate of the prices, which are happening, determining the EBITDA in the fourth quarter. And we – the prices appear to have flattened out and we then have debated what could happen to those prices and we took a conservative plan and that led to the $280 million and $300 million.
And by the way, we are not modeling in between $280 million and $300 million, because that’s the remaining uncertainty, which this range reflects the uncertainty which in our time and in every time is always there. So we are not saying that we are modeling that certain prices lead to $325 million – $285 million and then others.
We are not doing this. We came to a conclusion that the scenario planning, which are in there and the cloud of outcomes of EBITDA, when you look at that, we cast that between $280 million and $300 million and therefore, we have that as a guidance.
Henk Veerman
Right. Okay. That’s clear. I guess, it ties into my third question. I am just – I guess I am just trying to understand all the moving parts into the second half of this year. And another topic related to that is the energy costs and you chose to elaborate a bit on that in today’s press release. So my question would be, with the current sort of elevated energy prices in Europe and around the world, does that materially impact your business in the second half of this year, predominantly in the Critical Minerals and the Critical Material Technologies business.
Is that that something that we should take into account for the second half of this year? Or will you…
Heinz Schimmelbusch
No. The answer is, we are confident that we don’t have any material risk in the energy price sector for this year and that we mentioned we of course know and have for many years studied the energy prices, insights and opportunities regionally around the globe. And that’s why we have projects now in addition to the ones which we have mentioned in Saudi Arabia and in other countries in the Middle East where you have an availability of energy in abundance and where the electricity prices are not $0.35 like in Germany per kilowatt hour, but less than $0.05 cents.
And we saw that and I don’t want to say that we are in any way so that we are in any way, know the future, but it was obvious for everybody that when you shut down the basic production of energy in a country like in Germany with nuclear and coal that that would have a multiplication effect on the energy price. And that’s why we have prepared platforms for doing our strategic projects in a differentiated side strategy.
Henk Veerman
Okay. So, then we should assume no material impact into the second half? These long-term electricity contracts remain in place and otherwise, you’ll be able to offset this in the pricing as far as you can see.
Jackson Dunckel
Exactly. Yes.
Henk Veerman
Okay. Thank you. That’s all my questions.
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We will take our next question from Martijn den Drijver with ABN AMRO. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Martijn den Drijver
Yes. Good afternoon, gentlemen. My first question would actually go back to the super recycling plant. Would it, in summary be fair to say that profitability, once it’s up and running is at the high end of the range, EBITDA range that you initially provided for Cambridge 2? No numbers asked, just would that be a fair assessment?
Heinz Schimmelbusch
It certainly meets comfortably our investment criteria. And it happens to be that also the investment criteria of Shell and of UCI. So it is a perfect relationship where the 3 operating and trading and owning partners have that material and share the benefit of this material as a supplier, which is Aramco and when we analyze this, we always look, as you know, at the criteria, which is the annualized EBITDA divided by – as of the annualized EBITDA is most important and we take the CapEx and divide it by the annualized EBITDA and that multiple has to be below 4. And you can take it from that that it’s below 4.
Now of course, it is a marketplace situation where it’s lower or higher within this range depending on the vanadium price. So it’s a profitable – this profitability is satisfactory and meeting all our criteria and the criteria of our partners.
Martijn den Drijver
That’s more than helpful. Then moving on to the German lithium conversion plants. Now that construction has started, you obviously have a much better idea of the OpEx element. Could you perhaps share with us what your current expectations are for EBITDA for that plant? Should we just assume the same type of guidelines as you’ve just outlined for the super recycling plant or is it slightly different?
Heinz Schimmelbusch
You can – it’s correct. It falls into that category.
Martijn den Drijver
Okay. And just to follow up on that, because when you first use this type of return metric, there was a particular delta between the lithium hydroxide technical grades and the lithium hydroxide battery grades. Now I understand that that delta has increased. Shouldn’t that be reflected in this metric that we just discussed?
Heinz Schimmelbusch
Look, let me explain and I don’t want to cover too much time here, but the profitability of a battery-grade hydroxide plant constitutes as a combination of two sets of contracts. The one set of contract is the supply contracts. So, as you know, we start in our likelihood by spodumene converted to technical hydroxide outside Germany delivered to Bitterfeld and then convert it into battery grade. So there are contracts involved and those contracts – it’s not one standard contract. So this is a variety of contracts.
And then, you have a variety of contracts with the end-customer, probably five in the – for the first module, five or less definitely under negotiation. I do think negotiations will intensify in the next months. And then, these contracts take more definitive forms and we made considerable progress in this. And then the margin of a module like that is the difference between the conditions which you negotiate with your customers.
That’s underway. And so – that’s a myriad of parameters. So it is not – you can’t – it’s not like a matter if you – I would want you to make a model here because that’s a moving situation. In our judgment, when we run through these things and as these contracts are becoming more clear the profitability is very satisfactory.
Martijn den Drijver
Okay, okay. Got it. I’ll move on to another subject. With regards to Critical Materials technology, at the year-end Q4 of results presentation, you provided some guidance. You basically said that in the first half there would be an improvement, but there would be a more material improvement in the second half of 2022. Would that still be your guidance today?
Jackson Dunckel
Yes, absolutely. The aerospace market continues to improve quarter-by-quarter and in particular, the U.S. aerospace market looks very strong.
Martijn den Drijver
Okay. Got it. Then, with regards to Critical Materials, high EBITDA in the quarter despite what I understand from Jackson and the higher energy impact, should we then take this type of this level as the some sort of a base level going forward? Or is there some sort of one-off elements due to Chinese competition of being able to compete because of the lockdowns?
Heinz Schimmelbusch
I think this is – you can take this as the basis going forward. However, the volatility, of course, in the silicon metal market is relatively high. And so, — but this has proven to be, over time, a very stable business. And presently, the silicon metal market, for example, by CRU– by the CRU index is more than 100% higher than in the past.
Energy prices are also higher. This is, again, a very booming situation, but one can assume that this – that the past, despite of this volatilities, will somehow progress into the future.
Martijn den Drijver
Got it. And then my final question on Clean Energy Materials, you mentioned in the press release that there will be overseas waste being recycled. That’s a new one for us. Does that have any impact on the economics of the spend catalyst recycling facilities?
Heinz Schimmelbusch
Yes, positive. You have a very substantial – in our interpretation a very substantial change here in the market. When we built Cambridge in Ohio, it was a first. It was the first large-scale pyrometallurgical, meaning no wastewater. Bio metallurgical facility, it – we stated to a 30-plus thousand tonnes throughput. Incidentally, the competition went from 30,000 to zero in that process.
And then we built a second plant, and the second plant took all the experience and technological learning curves which we had in the first plant and I think it’s fair to say that this is now the world standard in circular economy excellence. The key decision-makers of key refineries overseas have been our guests in Ohio.
And it is now so that many people are aware that this is hazardous waste and it has to be treated in an extremely circumspect way. So we never in Ohio Cambridge 1, but in Cambridge, now in Zanesville, we never treated overseas spent catalyst materials. And for the first time, we do and world-class refineries overseas have contracted substantial amounts into Ohio.
And so, that is now happening for the first time these materials, which otherwise were directed into less than world-class operations are now starting to be directed to us. We welcome the first multi-thousand tonne shipments and some other shipments are on the ship.
Martijn den Drijver
Got it. Got it. One follow-up question for Jackson, the wording with regards to the contribution from Cambridge 2 are a bit in my opinion, confusing. You mentioned in your previous releases that it would be up and running, so full contributions for Q4. Now you say it’s at full contributions as of the end of Q4 or am I misreading it and that’s just a full quarter of EBITDA contributions in the fourth quarter?
Eric Jackson
What we have said, I believe, is we will – if the Zanesville will be fully operational by the end of the fourth quarter. So it’s – that’s consistent with what we have said. It will not be fully contributing to EBITDA for the fourth quarter. So, it’s – that’s consistent with what we have said. It will not be fully contributing to EBITDA for the fourth quarter.
Martijn den Drijver
Got it. Thank you very much.
Heinz Schimmelbusch
And that depends, of course, on the commissioning process. With the Commissioning post starts realistically in September, the commissioning process, as we have said, of the roasting plant has been successfully finished, we are running right now over designed capacity in the roasting plant. So depending on how we account for that that already will be a contribution to the fourth quarter.
We don’t expect any big things from the melting plant, which is the other plant. But when Eric says, that will not be fully operational because it’s – this is a plant which we extremely used to operate because next door we operate such a plant. So we don’t expect any big surprises.
However, such new plants, which costs over $300 million don’t necessarily start up when you press a button to go to 100%. You don’t even decide – you don’t even want to go to 100% because that will be an extremely foolish risky strategy. You go to a certain percentage. You learn the stability on that percentage, then you go to the next percentage.
In the roasting plant, we, for example, our first thing was to go to 60 tonnes per day. We are now at over 100 tonnes per day, which the design capacity is 100 tonnes per day and the roaster is – the complexity of the roaster is comparable to the complexity of the melting plant. So these are things which will take a few weeks and therefore, we are saying it might even take to the end of December in order to – for the mating plant to be full, but I personally believe it will be faster.
Martijn den Drijver
Thank you for those clarifications.
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] As it seems we have no further questions, I would like to turn the call back over to you — we have a follow-up question from Stijn Demeester with ING. Please go ahead. Your line is open sir.
Stijn Demeester
Yes, yes, yes. So maybe last question from my end is on the sort of desire to unlock the value of the lithium business, the IPO and potential minority stake sale has been sort of delayed. But could you update us here on what the ambition is? And perhaps, give some timetable on when do you expect to realize that ambition to hand on the value for the lithium business? Because right now if you look at the valuation of AMG versus lithium peers, there is quite a large discount. So, yes, any input here would be helpful.
Heinz Schimmelbusch
Rest assured that we are aware of that discrepancy. We have a Supervisory Board Meeting today and we debated that subject as we always do because it’s the number one subject we debate. We have made a decision to now complete the process including audits for forming a new AMG mission, which will be the brand company of all entities, which presently are involved in listing in AMG upstream into Brazil and downstream into Germany.
And will also be the parent company of the acquisitions and development corporations, which are underway in the resource sector of the lithium industry. Of course, our mining development success is continuing into now the expansion of the resource space in Brazil have attracted predictably.
So, the attention of resource owners who are in negotiations and cooperative structures with us to jointly develop those resources, which would then be an elegant way of complementing Brazil as a supplier and we are then going into longer-term scenario, a five-year plan in which we then can comfortably say how many modules will be resourced by these additional projects.
Now, this of course, is a value creation process and the separation of lithium will take some time. Mr. [Indiscernible] what do you think is the timing of the completion of AMG lithium as a separate legal entity in audit number 4. It will be completed this year in the supervisory board.
We have indicated that by September, but December, this – end of December, this lithium company will be separated. That implies also – that has implications for segmentation because we will publish those sites as a next step. And the financial results then, once we are audited and that will lead to much more information to the market of how that works. We, of course, also are – continue to be in all sorts of discussions as regard to the interested parties.
Stijn Demeester
Okay. Thank you. These are very helpful comments.
Operator
Thank you. And that concludes today’s question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to our speakers for any additional and closing remarks.
Michele Fischer
Thank you, everyone, for joining our call and asking questions today. This concludes our second quarter earnings call.
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