MIND Technology, Inc. (NASDAQ:MIND) Q3 2023 Earnings Conference Call December 14, 2022 9:00 AM ET
Company Participants
Ken Dennard – Investor Relations
Rob Capps – President and Chief Executive Officer
Mark Cox – Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Conference Call Participants
Tyson Bauer – KC Capital
Ross Taylor – ARS Investment Partners
Operator
Greetings and welcome to the MIND Technology Fiscal Third Quarter 2023 Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It’s now my pleasure to introduce your host from Ken Dennard. Thank you. You may begin.
Ken Dennard
Thank you, operator and good morning everyone. Welcome to the MIND Technology fiscal 2023 third quarter earnings conference call. We appreciate all of you joining us today. With me are Rob Capps, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Mark Cox, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.
Before I turn the call over to Rob, I have got a few housekeeping items to cover. If you would like to listen to a replay of today’s call, it will be available for 90 days via webcast by going to the Investor Relations section of the company’s website at mind-technology.com or via recorded instant replay telephonically until December 21. Information on how to access the replay features was provided in yesterday’s earnings release. Information reported on this call speaks only as of today, Wednesday, December 14, 2022 and therefore you are advised that time-sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of the time of any replay listening or transcript reading.
Before we begin, let me remind you that certain statements made by management during this call may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements are based on management’s current expectations and include known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors, many of which the company is unable to predict or control, that may cause the company’s actual future results or performance to materially differ from any future results or performance expressed or implied by those statements. These risks and uncertainties are included in the risk factors disclosed by the company from time-to-time in its filings with the SEC, including its annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended January 31, 2022. Furthermore, as we start this call, please also refer to the statement regarding forward-looking statements incorporated in our press release issued yesterday and please note that the contents of our conference call this morning are covered by these statements.
And now with that behind me, I would like to turn the call over to Rob Capps. Rob?
Rob Capps
Okay, thanks, Ken. Now we are doing something little bit different this quarter. We have prepared an updated presentation covering our discussion this morning and we posted it to our website and invite you to refer to that at your leisure. As I usually do, I will begin with some observations regarding the third quarter and on the market environment. Mark will then discuss the financials in more detail. And I will wrap things up with some remarks about our outlook.
As you mentioned on last quarter’s call, we expected our third quarter results to be down a bit sequentially due to the timing of orders, which we anticipated delivering in the fourth quarter. While our third quarter revenues of $4.9 million were slightly softer than we had predicted due to orders moving to the right, we believe that this sets the stage for our better than expected fourth quarters during which we anticipate returning to profitability. We continue to execute on our growing backlog and our order flow remains positively impacted by favorable macroeconomic trends.
As a company, we believe MIND is uniquely positioned to capitalize on the tailwinds that we are seeing in each of our three key markets: exploration, defense and survey. The sustained global energy prices continued to drive robust order activity in the marine seismic industry. Many of our customers in the exploration space are reporting improving metrics and in some cases, looking to expand their fleets. Our GunLink, BuoyLink and SeaLink products continue to enjoy broad acceptance in this space and we expect our strong order flow in the exploration market to continue through the fourth quarter and into next fiscal year.
Our marine survey business has also seen an uptick in interest resulting from these same higher energy prices as attention shifts towards alternative forms of energy, such as offshore wind farms. In addition to our single-beam and multi-beam side scan sonar systems, we are seeing much interest in our SeaLink towed streamer systems for these applications, recently introduced higher sampling rates for SeaLink, which produces higher resolution images and configurable systems have resulted in increased interest in these three dimensional high resolution systems.
The ongoing global geopolitical and security situation, particularly in Europe and Asia, continues to highlight the need for our maritime security and surveillance technology. We have recently experienced increased order activity, particularly for multi-beam side scan sonar systems, which we believe is related to these demands. We believe our high speed systems are particularly attractive for missions in the defense space. We also think the recent demand bodes well for our program to utilize our commercially developed towed seismic arrays SeaLink as passive sonar arrays and anti-submarine warfare and other maritime security applications, particularly those utilizing uncrewed platforms.
We have been encouraged by the response arising from our demonstration of this technology at the U.S. Navy’s Coastal Trident 2022 exercise in August of this year. Therefore, we are confident we will continue to grow our book of business in the coming quarters as we look to execute on the growing demand and favorable market conditions. Our backlog as of October 31, 2022 was approximately $19.9 million, which is up over 50% from the $13.1 million backlog we reported at the end of fiscal 2022. In addition to this backlog of firm orders, we continue to pursue a number of other opportunities for which we have high confidence. These orders reflect the continued positive momentum that we are experiencing in various markets. And we believe that our products are uniquely positioned to benefit from the strengthening macroeconomic environment.
Now, I will let Mark walk you through the third quarter financial results in a bit more detail. Mark?
Mark Cox
Thanks, Rob and good morning everyone. As Rob mentioned earlier, revenues from continuing operations totaled $4.9 million in the quarter, a 41% decrease when compared to the $8.3 million in the same period a year ago. Gross profit from continuing operations in the third quarter was $1.5 million down approximately 53% when compared to the third quarter of fiscal 2022. This represents a gross profit margin of approximately 31% for the quarter, which was down from the 38% we achieved during the prior year third quarter and the 41% reported in the second quarter of this year.
As mentioned on last quarter’s call, we anticipated lower revenue levels in the third quarter due to the delivery schedules of some larger orders that we expect to be completed in the fourth quarter. The lower revenue resulted in less absorption of fixed costs, which drove gross margin down in the third quarter. Our general and administrative expenses were $3.6 million for the third quarter of fiscal 2023, which was down from $3.8 million in our second quarter of 2023. As we mentioned last quarter, our G&A expenses tend to taper down as the year progresses. Much of the expenses that we incurred earlier in the year were associated with front-end loaded payroll taxes, professional and travel fees.
Our research and development expense for the third quarter was $843,000, which was in line with our second quarter. Consistent with prior periods, these costs are largely directed towards our strategic initiatives, including synthetic aperture sonar and passive sonar arrays.
Our net loss from continuing operations for the third quarter this year was $3.3 million as compared to a $2.1 million loss in the third quarter of fiscal 2022. Our third quarter adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations was a loss of $2.7 million compared to a loss of $1.3 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2022 and a $1 million loss in the second quarter of this year. Although adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations was down during the third quarter, we maintain our expectation of generating positive EBITDA in the fourth quarter.
As of October 31, 2022, we had working capital of approximately $12.8 million and cash of approximately $812,000. We continue to have no funded debt or outstanding obligations, aside from normal trade obligation. Also, our cost structure remains largely variable which gives us flexibility to respond to changes in market conditions.
I will now pass it back over to Rob for some concluding comments.
Rob Capps
Thanks Mark. Despite the expected pullback in our third quarter results, we remain encouraged by our growing backlog of business and the robust interest and customer engagement that we are continuing to see. We think these factors and the market trends I discussed earlier are strong indicators that we are on the right path. If you look ahead to our fourth quarter, based on our backlog and current delivery schedules, we expect to generate revenue of between $12 million and $14 million during the quarter, that level of revenue we expect to generate positive earnings from continuing operations. We have significant orders that we anticipate delivering during the quarter. In fact, we have already delivered some, but given our robust backlog and other anticipated orders, we feel that our elevated revenue momentum will continue into next fiscal year.
However, I’d like to make it clear that there will be variation between quarters and not all quarters will necessarily reach the same level as our fourth quarter, but we do believe the general trend will be one to increase in revenue. Of course, this is not without challenges and risks. Supply chain issues, evolving delivery requirements, government contracting processes, technical and production challenges, are all things that we must deal with everyday and can impact production and deliveries. Nonetheless, we feel good about where the company sits today and believe these positive market trends will continue into future periods. We also believe we will enjoy increasing contributions from our development programs, such as synthetic aperture sonar, automatic target recognition, and passive sonar arrays.
In early October, we announced the deferral of our third quarter preferred stock dividend. We took this action to address liquidity demands required to complete our near-term backlog as well as other expected orders. Timing uncertainty of certain receivables makes it prudent that we preserve our financial flexibility as we work to fulfill orders of varying sizes and timelines. Although liquidity continues to be a challenge, we are diligently working to reach a resolution and hope to do so in a non-dilutive or minimally dilutive way. We expect to resume payment of dividends, including any previously deferred at some point, but not yet made a decision as to the timing of that.
We believe the best is yet to come from MIND Technology. We feel that our increasing order flow and improved financial performance in the coming months will indicate our ability to drive meaningful shareholder value. We are positioned to capitalize on numerous opportunities in the coming year and the favorable market conditions continue to support our business in a variety of ways. We are optimistic that our fourth quarter results will demonstrate our profitability. We will look to carry that momentum into our fiscal 2024.
With that operator, we can now open the call for some questions.
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Tyson Bauer with KC Capital. Please proceed with your question.
Tyson Bauer
Good morning, gentlemen.
Rob Capps
Hi, Tyson.
Mark Cox
Good morning.
Tyson Bauer
Just a quick way to view Q3 and Q4, should we really look at these as a composite, take them together as kind of a second half story and where you are as a company, which would imply kind of you are at a $9 million to $10 million per quarter rate. And at that level, it doesn’t seem like that will quite be enough. Obviously, it’s a dramatic improvement from where you were, but we need 20%, 30% more. Is that in what you see going forward that we can achieve those to try to lessen some of that liquidity risk and other business risk?
Mark Cox
Yes, I think so, Tyson. I wouldn’t exactly average the two, third and fourth quarter to give a run-rate. It’s not quite right. I mean, there is certainly some aspect of that. We are seeing some stuff move from Q3 and Q4. But we still anticipated increase in Q4. So you are right, we probably need a bit beyond that, $9 million to $10 million, which – that’s what we see going forward. May not be every quarter, but as a general trend, that’s what we are seeing.
Tyson Bauer
Okay, sure. We view the level that you produce in Q3 kind of that base revenue, where that’s derived primarily from services, parts, some reoccurring aspect of that revenue base?
Mark Cox
I mean, I guess it’s fair to say that most of that activity was of that nature. Again, there is some anomalies in Q3 just because of timing of things. So I wouldn’t necessarily leave at that level going forward.
Tyson Bauer
Okay. And when we look at the fiscal ‘23 results and the backlog that still is absent of any contribution from your JV partner in Europe, which is expected for next year?
Mark Cox
Correct.
Tyson Bauer
Any sense or any color you can provide there to kind of give us some sense of the meaningful or the material impact that could have to get you that 20%, 30% more revenue?
Mark Cox
Obviously, might be, I am going to be very cautious with my comments here. I mean, we are progressing dramatically on that front. Obviously, we wouldn’t be making this sort of investment unless we anticipated a significant return from that. So I will just going to leave it at that.
Tyson Bauer
And have you had discussions in their willingness to assist in your balance sheet issues?
Mark Cox
Yes, I don’t want to go there, Tyson.
Tyson Bauer
Okay. You talked about backlog expected profitability before recruiting the deferred dividend. Where do you anticipate your cash and where do we look to be at the end of this fiscal year as far as your liquidity position with a strong fourth quarter?
Rob Capps
Yes. I don’t want to project the cash balance at this point, but we are delivering throughout the quarter, we have already delivered things. So that will have an impact. Other things we have delivered later in the quarter. So you won’t see that at year end. There are a variety of areas we are addressing to attract liquidity, obviously, AR and by implication inventory as we liquidate and sell things, we are not having to buy things as we have so much in inventory already that already bought it. We continue to generate some funds from our legacy leasing assets that amounts are – and those amounts are decreasing, but there still is some activity there. As we said in the past, we have some opportunities to monetize some unencumbered assets, specifically real estate assets we have. And so we are pursuing all of those areas.
Tyson Bauer
Okay. And the discontinued ops, is that just kind of like clean up number of – because it looks like you don’t have assets held-for-sale on your balance sheet. So did you go through the process and chose to write-off any remaining asset values there? Although you may have those that you could sell it at a later date, which almost reverses what you have just taken off?
Rob Capps
Yes, that’s right. So we – the remaining assets from the leasing business are – have zero book value. So they have been written to zero, but there still are some assets that we are hopeful of being able to monetize.
Tyson Bauer
That would be in that roughly $1.6 million range.
Rob Capps
Again, it’s from zero to something like that.
Tyson Bauer
Okay. You talked about you have already made significant deliveries for the fourth quarter, any idea of percentage of expected revenue since you gave the expected revenue range that you have already delivered and have in pocket?
Rob Capps
And again, I don’t want to be very specific. But there are substantial deliveries throughout the period. And I will leave it there.
Tyson Bauer
Okay. When you look at your working capital, and given the outlook that you just provided, and then you look at the market valuation of your preferred stock that is accumulating that preferred dividend? Can – is there a rationalization for that, it doesn’t seem like the numbers really work out. And given the level of importance to your direct JV partner and really indirect relationship with Mitsubishi, what are we missing here?
Rob Capps
I guess I don’t understand the question Tyson. I am sorry.
Tyson Bauer
So, the question really is that you have got what, $9 million valuation on the preferred dividends at $5.60 a share. You have already had two deferred. You really can’t do much as a company without becoming true or current on that preferred dividend that is deferred. The marketplace seems to have chosen to say hey, that working capital number, they have, that inventory number, that ongoing business number, we just don’t believe it. Even though you have preference on those preferred shares, is there something that you want to add or that you want – I am going to throw you a little softball here, that would say, hey, the numbers just don’t add up. As far as why we are getting value there, especially on the preferred side, compared to what you are seeing as a management team?
Rob Capps
Okay. I now understand. I mean obviously, maybe not obviously, but we would have different opinion as to what the market value ought to be both of the preferred and the common. Lots of reasons that contribute to the – while the price is where it is that we firmly believe that as we demonstrate the growth in the business, demonstrate the ability to generate, ongoing cash flow, then you know that view from the market is going to change dramatically. There is no reason for it not to, in my view.
Tyson Bauer
But you would share that even on a salvage valuation, if you really went that route, you are significantly ahead of where the market is applying evaluation on you.
Rob Capps
Absolutely. I would certainly – absolutely believe that myself.
Tyson Bauer
Alright. Thank you gentlemen.
Rob Capps
You bet.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from line of Ross Taylor with ARS Investment Partners. Please proceed with your question.
Ross Taylor
Thank you. And I always seem to play second fiddle to Tyson. I want to pick up on what Tyson was going with this. We have sat those of us who have held stock for several years have heard this, as a story that’s about to break out, we are about to break out. I feel we are a little bit waiting for good dove on the beach. This year, the stock has lost 75% of its value. You have got the preferred trading at about little over 20% of its book value. I think what Tyson was being polite, and dancing around and giving me the chance to say is that this company is worth, I think a lot more dead than it is currently alive. And as a holder and someone who has been a patient holder, I would say this has to be the year this next year, fiscal ‘24 the year that you will be reporting the fourth quarter of in early ‘25. But you need to sell this company, if you can’t make this business work. But you can’t keep asking your investors to be patient, when being patient means you are losing, this was a $2 stock, it’s now $1.60 – it’s now a $0.40 something stock, it’s really getting to be old. And quite honestly, we are not seeing insider buying. One thing I would think might send a real message is if insiders were buying the stock aggressively indicating that they believe in this company, you can buy a lot of shares when your stock trades at $0.40 something a share. So, I would hope to see as soon as we get into the open period, insider starting to commit capital into the common, because that would be a real vote, that there is residual value here. And as I have said, in this next year, get this thing working, get it profitable, get it so it’s generating enough free cash flow that you can pay the dividend on a regular basis. And that moves back towards book value and the stock starts to move back at least towards where it was a year ago. And I would love to – give your thoughts on what, when – why aren’t we seeing insider buying? And why are we continuing to kind of press this with the idea that it’s going to work if we haven’t yet seen it work?
Rob Capps
Well, there is lots of reasons, but there was some insider buying earlier in the year, there has been some, not a great deal, but some. Obviously, there are restrictions from time-to-time as to what we insiders can do given what we know, that may or may not be public information. So there, I will just make a comment. There are some limitations there. Ross, I understand your frustration, we have shared as well. That’s why we think that where we stand now going into the fourth quarter is a big change. And we are starting to seeing that – see that transition. I hear your message, hear loud and clear. But we do think we are seeing that turnaround in this fourth quarter.
Ross Taylor
You have said you are going to be $100 million revenue run rate business, even with the projections of the fourth quarter, which I assume is picking up $3 million, $4 million, $5 million from the third quarter. You are at the high end of your range, something they were above $50 million to $60 million run rate business. How long is it going to take once we kind of cross this Rubicon, which you are indicating we are crossing in this quarter we are currently in. How long is it going to take to get from that mid-$50 million run rate annually to the $100 million you have been talking about. You know your book, you are not buying if you guys aren’t buying insider. As insiders, you are telling me that there is something out there that you know, that’s going to be material, just surviving literally would be material given the way the stock is priced. So, how long is it going to take to get to that $100 million run rate. And as I have said, I just think that your shareholders, you can see it no one cares, and you got to create if you can’t get people to care, then you have got to just say fine, I will give you – we will sell this business and we will let you move on. So, how long is it going to take to get to that your $100 million target?
Rob Capps
I don’t want to give us a period of time. We talked about a 5-year period before, obviously, we have eaten into that. Some things happened in the marketplace. So, it’s not going to be next year, it’s probably going to be the year after. But it’s certainly very attainable, we still believe. And I think as we get to these higher levels, things start to build upon themselves. And it – I think you see the growth start to compound a bit as we are able to layer on some of this additional activity. I know that doesn’t answer you specifically, but.
Ross Taylor
No, I think we are at that stage where and you know it, you see it, we need action. And in lieu of action, what we really need is insider support. And we need to get the company to where we can get the preferred dividends paid, so then you can be moving forward off of that, and we can return the value to the equity. As Tyson is implying, I think if we shut this company down today, I think that the preferred holders would get paid, book value, and I think that the equity holders would make a – would make multiple bags on what was left. Let’s get it there. I think that you can’t expect your holders to have patience. And so I think you need to execute and if you are the people you are working with, you are an important provider to them. You have skills and you have capabilities and technologies that no one else has. That’s very valuable. They are not letting – they are not going to let you fail. But they need to do more than just keep you alive. They need to let you prosper.
Rob Capps
Understood. Thanks. Appreciate it.
Ross Taylor
Thank you.
Rob Capps
Beth?
Operator
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I will turn the floor back to Mr. Capps for any final comments.
Rob Capps
I would like to thank you everyone for joining us this morning and we look forward to talking to you again after our fourth quarter. Thanks very much.
Operator
Thank you. This concludes today’s conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.
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