Dorel Industries, Inc. (OTCPK:DIIBF) Q4 2019 Earnings Conference Call March 12, 2020 9:00 AM ET
Martin Schwartz – President, CEO & Director
Jeffrey Schwartz – EVP, CFO, Secretary & Director
Conference Call Participants
Derek Lessard – TD Securities
Stephen MacLeod – BMO Capital Markets
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Dorel Industries Fourth Quarter 2019 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. Before turning the meeting over to management, please be advised that this conference call will contain statements that are forward-looking and subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated. I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being recorded today, March 11, 2020.
I will now turn the conference over to Martin Schwartz, President and CEO. Please go ahead.
Thank you. Good morning, and thank you all for joining us for Dorel’s fourth quarter and year-end earnings call for the period ending December 30. Joining me are Jeffrey Schwartz, CFO; and Frank Rana, VP of Finance. We will take your questions following our comments, and as always, our numbers are in U.S. dollars.
Despite a tough quarter, there were some notable achievements during the past quarter. I am proud of the job our teams have done since the third quarter, bringing inventory down by $80 million to more traditional levels. Dorel Sports revenue grew for the third consecutive quarter as our new models, particularly Cannondale, are being widely accepted. While Dorel Juvenile Europe had another weak quarter, overshadowing progress in Dorel Juvenile’s other geographies, there are now definite signs of a turnaround in Europe.
Issues at Dorel Home, which were primarily tariff-related, are being resolved and the segment is focused on growing its top line as it prepares to enter new categories. The e-commerce sales continues the upward trend, representing now 70% of total sales.
Let me turn now to the coronavirus crisis. Our China-based suppliers had been scheduled to reopen the second week of February following Chinese New Year’s, but due to the virus, only started to reopen February 24. This temporary lack of manpower created several weeks of supply chain disruptions. Operations at our principal facility in Zhongshan are improving daily, and we are now at 100% production capacity. Other factories and suppliers are also back in operations and are shipping, but some not yet at normal levels.
Although production was slower than normal, we did not see any significant impact on consumer spending for Dorel products in January and February. Historically, parents have always bought Juvenile products. With travel being increasingly restricted, it’s presumed many people will be staying much closer to home. Historically, people have purchased Juvenile products and personal recreation products, such as bikes as well as home furnishing during disruptions in the market. Dorel’s product portfolio gives consumers a wide choice of such items at various price points. Our three segments continued to experience increased online shopping, and with the virus, we expect more of this.
From an operations standpoint, we have spent the last few days putting things in motion to allow those who need to work from home to do so. Life has changed in the short term. And here at Dorel, we are making the necessary arrangements for people to adapt, while still maintaining business as close to usual as possible. But needless to say, we are closely monitoring the situation and are adapting as required.
Turning to our segments. Dorel Sports had another very good quarter. The last few years of intense innovative product development continued to provide product that is consistently resonating well with consumers. There is now a complete lineup of Cannondale E-bikes in all key bike categories. The product quality is class-leading, and we are experiencing growth simply by having new bikes, where the brand was not previously available. Cannondale’s world-class frame technology and engineering are being paired with the industry leaders in E-bike motors. This is important in the mature E-bike European market, where competition is fierce and the expectation of performance and quality is high. The results speak for themselves as sales of Cannondale’s E-bikes and other new models were up considerably in Q4.
Cycling Sports Group’s North American key accounts had another strong quarter, posting organic growth, driven by holiday and online sales. Pacific Cycle also did well with considerable top and bottom line progress due to increased consumer demand. The division implemented an important leadership reorganization in 2019, including naming a new president. The revitalized team now sets the foundation for a rapid and dynamic turnaround of the division.
Caloi also grew, driven by price increases and improved mix on higher Cannondale sales volume. We also announced today that to support its next level of growth, Dorel Sports is strengthening its European CSG operations, which will now be centralized in the Netherlands. The existing assembly plant in Oldenzaal is being transformed into a state-of-the-art facility to more than double its current production capacity of Cannondale models and E-bikes, and allow for an increased focus on premium quality products as demand increases.
CSG’s European headquarter is being relocated to Woudenberg in a new scenic campus, which will have an excellent working environment to further CSG’s innovation and being close to Amsterdam will give us a larger pool of talented people.
We had excellent results in Europe in 2019, and the exciting changes we are announcing today will enable us to better serve our customers, boost our brand presence and further develop our culture. The reorganization is expected to be fully completed by year-end and will result in estimated restructuring costs of between $8 million and $10 million, of which $3.8 million was recorded in the fourth quarter.
There was encouraging news regarding a number of Dorel’s Juvenile divisions, although challenges remain in Europe. Decreased sales of Europe’s older juvenile models were a drag on the quarter. However, current indications are that the new models introduced towards the end of the year are gaining traction. During the quarter, the European product development team launched the innovative and award-winning Coral infant carrier. Significant shipments began during the current first quarter in most markets. The U.S. model is in development and is on track for release in July 2020.
Europe also introduced the Mica infant carrier in record time. The Mica is a critical product in the rotating car seat category, and is a huge step in upgrading existing products to more contemporary and premium fashion, enabling us to take price increases on these products.
The quarter’s slowdown in Europe overshadowed gains in Dorel Juvenile’s other markets, including our China factory, Dorel Juvenile U.S.A. and Dorel Chile. Inventory was also reduced significantly during Q4, in fact, better than we had anticipated.
At Dorel Home, their e-commerce business continues to account for an increasing proportion of revenue, and in Q4, grew by close to 23%, representing 70% of the segment’s total sales, somewhat offsetting decreases in brick-and-mortar. Sales to Dorel Home’s online retailers were very strong, with significant year-over-year growth. Important progress was made in the segment’s inventory reduction with a decrease of just over $40 million from the mid-year high. This will lead to improvements in warehouse efficiencies and related cost savings.
Branded sales continued their increase for the quarter, as Cosmo Living, Novogratz and Little Seeds all substantially beat prior quarter numbers. Dorel Home is actively working to leverage current relationships to grow in new categories and additional channels to further drive brand and commercial sales.
Jeffrey will now provide the financial perspective. Jeffrey?
Thank you, Martin. I’m just going to address some numbers for Q4. The year-to-date numbers will be available — are available in the press release. So consolidated revenues for the fourth quarter decreased by $30 million or 4.4%. Organic revenue declined by approximately 3.1% after removing the variation of foreign exchange rates year-over-year.
Revenue and organic revenue declines were mainly in Dorel Juvenile, offset partially by increases in both the Home and Sports sections. In the Home section, as Martin said, the e-commerce channel has continued to drive sales. However, the brick-and-mortar business is declining, and we will probably see that continue to decline throughout — going into the future. Dorel Sports was up. We had increased point-of-sale business at our Pacific Cycle business, and we had a better mix at Caloi, which reflects better sales. That was offset partially by timing of certain shipments at CSG, which are going to fall in Q1.
Gross profit for the quarter decreased by 60 basis points to 20.3% compared to 20.9% last year. Decline was mainly in Dorel Juvenile and Home and partially offset by Dorel Sports.
If we look at some other highlights. Finance expenses increased $5.9 million to $14.5 million, some of that is just the change in the IFRS 16. However, there was an increase of $3.6 million, which was due to higher debt balances and a higher average interest rate as well.
Overall, during the quarter, our net loss was $600,000 or $0.02 per share compared to $443 million or $13.68 last year. However, if you remove the impairment charges, the net income declined to $2.3 million compared to $10.3 million last year.
If we move on now to the individual divisions. Dorel Sports had a very good quarter. We were pretty pleased with it. Again, a lot of it is the result of what we’ve been doing at Cannondale for the last couple of years. And as Martin said, that business has been steadily growing top line, bottom line as well as we just round out — it’s more than this product. It’s just being more efficient, a great team that we have, better marketing, better products, better sales, it’s all coming together there.
In the fourth quarter, the Sports section rose only 0.2% to $233 million. When you exclude the impact of foreign exchange, the organic revenue actually increased by 1.9%. The revenue and organic revenue during the quarter was mainly in Pacific Cycle, driven by stronger sales in both at the mass and at the increasingly important e-commerce channel.
Caloi also contributed to the revenue growth. However, as we said, CSG, because of the timing of certain sales, actually decreased slightly in the quarter. During the fourth quarter, gross profit improved by 330 basis points to 24% from 20.7% in the previous year. There was an impairment trade receivables, $1.8 million this year in the fourth quarter, last year, it was $2 million. So it’s a number to notice.
Martin talked about the restructuring charge. In Europe, that was $3.5 million in the quarter of this year. And the segment reported operating profits in the fourth quarter of $9.8 million compared to a loss of $232 million last year. However, when you remove all the impairment losses on goodwill, intangible assets, property, plant and equipment, restructuring and all the other costs, operating profits actually improved by $8.4 million or 164% to $13.6 million versus last year. So very pleased with that segment. If we move over to the Juvenile segment, that was a tougher segment there. Dorel Juvenile’s fourth quarter revenue actually declined by 13.6%. The organic revenue declined by 11.6%. So the decline in revenues were mainly in Europe, where the demand for older models of the mono use car seat categories have contracted, while the new models recently introduced in the market have just started in Q4 to gain any traction. So really, in a nutshell, that’s what’s happening. We’ve been talking about it all year being that we’re behind on some of these models. They were introduced in Q4. We’ll talk a little bit more about how that’s going.
In the U.S., we did have a major retailer reducing orders to decrease their inventory before year-end. And in Chile, we did have some difficulty, if people remember, at the beginning of Q4, with social unrest and closing down of shopping malls. By December, the stores were back open and same-store sales rebounded by the end of the quarter. These declines were offset by some gains in some other areas, Brazil stands out as having a very good top line in Q4.
The decline — when we look at gross profit, gross profit was 24.1% in the quarter versus 25.4% — sorry, 24.1% this year, 25.4% last year. The decline in the profit and adjusted gross profits were mainly due to, again, a less favorable mix in Europe, as we’ve talked about. We’re switching over our product line, and Q4 was definitely, I think, the low point in that switch over. The operating loss was $4.1 million during the fourth quarter compared to $265 million last year. If we exclude impairment on goodwill and other items, the adjusted loss was $2.3 million, representing a decline of $4 million from the profit of $1.7 million last year.
If we switch over to Home now. Home’s quarter was relatively flat, increased by about 1%, both in declared and organic. The fourth quarter, we did see e-commerce now representing 70% of the total segment compared to only 59% in the previous year. So the trend just continues. We will — and we expect that to continue to go over 70% as the year goes on.
Gross profit was lower at 12.5% in the quarter versus 14% last — sorry, 14% for the full year, but 12.5% in 2019, and that declined by 350 basis points from the previous year. That was related to higher warehouse costs, which, again, was related to the inventory levels and larger footprint. A lot of that has been — is behind us now. It costs us, again, in Q4, but we did finally eliminate a lot of that extra inventory. We have reduced our warehouse footprint, and we’re starting this year, in Q1, in a better spot for the cost of running our warehouses, the actual amount of warehouse space we’re using, and most importantly, our delivery times have increased significantly versus the previous year.
Some other negative impacts in the quarter on margin, we still have the tariffs, which we have passed a lot of that on, but not all of it, and certainly not more than our cost, so then there’s a reduction on that percent, even if you do pass on your cost. And then, again, we did have to do some higher promotional incentives to move a lot of the inventory we wanted to get out of our warehouse. So it did hit the quarter, although we were successful that we moved that product from the system.
And at the end, our operating profit did decline by $5.6 million to $11.9 million from the $17.5 million last year. And again, all of that was due to the lower gross margins, which I talked about.
With that, we’ll talk a little bit — I’d like to talk a little bit about the impact financially of the coronavirus. So to date, all of the impact on Dorel has been because of supply. So we have lost supply in the month of February as most of the factories in China closed down. We do see a lot of rebounding since the end of February. A lot of factories have come back online. In fact, Dorel owns 2 factories. We have 1 in — the large one in the southern part of China. That factory, as of today, has 100% employees and is operating very well. So we’re very happy about that. The other factory, which is small and produces mostly umbrella strollers, unfortunately, that factory is in the Hubei province, which is the center of the — where the virus started. However, good news, today, we are discussing with the local authorities and believe that factory will be open anywhere from 1 to 7 days from now.
So we think we’ll even have that factory up and running. Otherwise, all other factories, all of the suppliers are back running. We see delays anywhere from 3 to 6 weeks impact. But the good news is it’s all coming back now, shipping has started again, and we’re seeing orders being fulfilled. And in some areas, we did or will run out of inventory, but a lot of times, we did have other inventories or we have enough to cover us until the new inventories arrive.
So there is an impact. We are making it up. We’re doing our best to make it up in other areas. But from a supply standpoint, there will be an impact, probably to Q1 and Q2, for a reasonably manageable amount. It’s not going to be significant.
On the supply side, I can just tell you what we know and what we know — sorry, on the demand side, this is supply side. On the demand side, what we know is, as of yesterday, we have seen no impact on demand. Demand is strong across the board in all 3 of our businesses. What tomorrow will bring, we will not be able to predict other than, as Martin said, our products are probably good products that will be wanted and needed in an area where people are cocooning, people are avoiding spaces like gyms and large exercise places, you can get out on your bike and get out there, and we’re seeing demand for bikes significantly higher than last year, at the mass level, for sure. And we’re cautiously optimistic that our products will do fine through this crisis. That’s what we know. We certainly don’t know way more than we know. But I think we’ve transferred what we know to everybody here. With that, I’ll pass it back to Martin.
Okay. Thank you, Jeffrey. In terms of our outlook, sales at Dorel Sports remain strong, and the segment is anticipating another good year. The China supply chain is improving, and product is expected to be increasingly stable as production gradually returns to normal. The year is starting off well at Dorel Juvenile. New products introduced in Europe during the fourth quarter are performing well, and we are seeing the start of a turnaround. Dorel Home foresees increased sales out of this plan as it is planning on entering new categories and channels. It also anticipates growth in its European operations, as well with inventory now under better control, warehousing and logistics costs will be reduced.
The unknown is the virus. Clearly, the world economy is in uncharted waters due to the ongoing virus, the full impact of which is difficult to predict at this time. No one knows what tomorrow may bring and significant changes are occurring almost on an hourly basis. We are very conscious of that, and we’ll continue to do what’s best for the company, but first and foremost, what’s best for the welfare of our employees.
The supply chain interruptions in China will impact the delivery of orders in the first quarter and possibly into the second. Despite the improvement, the coronavirus and related foreign exchange impacts will likely affect the first quarter. With that, I will now ask the operator to open the lines for questions and request that you please limit your questions to two on the first round. Operator?
[Operator Instructions]. Your first question comes from Derek Lessard with TD Securities.
Yes. Maybe just back to the COVID-19 and the impact on your Chinese facilities. Jeff, you’ve mentioned that you’re back up to 100% in terms of employment. Did it ever dip below? Or did you have — was there ever a material impact on labor operations in that facility?
Yes, absolutely. I mean, it was closed for the whole — practically, the whole month of February. And then it took time to ramp up and all of that, but we’re back to normal. So yes, there was an impact. We had a good January. It was a very good profitable facility for us in 2018 — actually 2019, sorry, and we started off January pretty strong and then nothing happened in February, and now we’re back up, and we’ve got lots of orders, and we’re busy. And so yes, there is going to be a small impact on that facility. But everything was closed. The entire country closed down for most of February.
Okay. And was that because there was, I guess — was there COVID, I guess, infections within the facility? Or is…
I’m not aware of it. That was — keep in mind that the fact we closed for Chinese New Year. And during the Chinese New Year is when everything started to erupt in China. So what they did is the government just banned factories from reopening after Chinese New Year. So we didn’t — we were closed anyways and scheduled to be closed, therefore, fortunately, a lot of — we preordered a lot of goods, knowing we would be closed for a couple of weeks, and then it just didn’t reopen. So the same thing, even in the one in the Hubei province was — we’re not aware of any employee or anyone having anything, but it’s just, in that province, it’s taking even longer to reopen factories, but we’re right on the cusp of reopening.
Okay. And maybe just a question on Italy. Just wondering how much Italy represents in terms of your overall sales, whether in Juvenile or bikes? And if you see an impact from a shutdown — an entire shutdown in that country on your business?
It’s not material. I don’t have the numbers with me, but it’s one of the smaller markets in Europe for us. So I mean, I’m sure it’s going to have an impact there. But we are — particularly, I know on the Juvenile side, and again, we didn’t really address it, but we are finally seeing the positive results from introducing the new products that we did at the end of last year. So we are seeing sales regaining momentum. We are seeing margins increasing. All of the things that we said we need to do for a turnaround after 2 months, we are seeing that. So that’s really good news for us, and we think that, that’s going to lead to the turnaround. And again, everything — the virus is the big wildcard. And so far, any impact on the — from the virus on our numbers, on a negative basis, is strictly supply and currency. So we have not seen any demand decrease, even though, like I said, supply. If sales aren’t going to be there, it’s not that the demand is not there, it’s because we just — we’re a little bit late in getting the product to market. We hope to catch up in March a little bit from the February shutdown, but that’s what we’re seeing. We’re trying to meet as much demand as we can possibly can in the month of March. And that’s where we are.
Okay. I guess, on — and maybe one final one before re-queuing. I guess, on the supply side, do you — you said one to two quarters, but like, if I’m thinking about bikes, will that impact you for I guess, spring selling season?
Well, again, we do have a lot of bikes. We brought on a lot of the new models early this year. So we do have a very solid inventory base. But there will be some shift, I know, from Q1 to Q2, as some of the bikes come in. I mean, what’s happening is the larger bike suppliers are open, but they were, we’ll call, like level-1 factories. They opened before the level-2 and 3. Level-2 and 3 are part suppliers. So if your parts — if you run out of, I don’t know, a chain on your bikes because the chain supplier isn’t open yet, that’s impacting the whole industry. So because of that, it’s possible there is a small amount of bikes that will be late, but we’re in a relatively decent shape. We do have inventories, and we’re going to use those inventories to drive the season.
Your next question comes from Stephen MacLeod with BMO Capital Markets.
I just wanted to ask a little bit about the tariff impact. I mean, obviously, there’s a lot of noise going on right now. But you mentioned tariffs impacting the numbers a little bit. Is that something that you expect to continue into Q1 and Q2 in addition to the COVID-19 potential impact?
Well, no, I think I’ve always said the problem with tariffs was the — the impact of — let’s call, not stalling them, but the impact of them coming on and the adjustments that we had to make and the cost of the adjustments, whether it be in inventories, we are now living in that environment of the tariffs. And I don’t see that as a reason or an excuse for anything other than the actual gross profit, when we — if a product — tariff on a product was $2, we increased our price by $2, but the gross profit, actually percentage drops. So we’re not going to necessarily recover the percentages of a few years ago prior to tariffs. But — and that’s what I was referring to is the actual gross margin is going to be down because of tariffs because we’ve only passed on the cost of the tariff. But I don’t see that as an excuse going forward. We’re all living in that environment. We understand what sells and what doesn’t sell, and we’re all dealing with that. So I don’t see tariffs as being a new problem. That was last year’s problem, but we’re over it.
Yes. Okay. And then I just wanted to come back to the supply side. Is there any way for you, given the fact that we’re sitting sort of March 12, is there any way to quantify what the potential supply impact is in the quarter, like in the Q1?
Well, the problem is — we’ve got our numbers. I’m not going to share them because we’re hoping to catch up in March on stuff that happened in February. So what gets shipped to — directly to our customers at the end of the month is a little bit difficult to understand how much we’re going to catch up. So that’s why I’m going to decline to estimate that. But what we’re trying to do is catch up as much as we can in March on what shortfalls we had in February.
Right, right. Okay. And then I think you may have addressed this, and I apologize if you did, but is there — were there any situations where, because of the supply chain or manufacturing shutdown, you were in a position to not — like your customers were out of inventory and you couldn’t sell anything?
I mean, are there going to be shortages in the marketplace probably of different items? I mean — but we do have substitute items as well. I mean, the retailers have been fairly aggressive in monitoring their stock and saying if they’re going to run out — whether it be from us or another supplier, they’re going to run out of something, because this isn’t a Dorel problem, this is the whole industry’s problem. And if they are going to run out, what other inventory items are out there, and we’re using this opportunity to move slower-moving goods, so at the end of the day, we’ll probably have less of our slower-moving goods than we would have had without the virus, which is a good thing.
Right. Okay, okay. And then finally, sticking with the manufacturing theme, understanding that your facilities were closed for February, now back up to 100%. Have you seen that — was that a similar trend that you saw with your third-party suppliers versus Chinese suppliers that you, obviously, don’t own?
Yes. They are not — not very many people are at 100%. I think 70% is probably the right number from what I’m hearing right now. And it depends on where they are. I mean, there are people in the north, people closer to Hubei province that have less employees at work, and there are people that are far away and have more. So it’s all over the place, but anything from as — I’ve heard as low as 30% or 40% up to 80% or 90% is probably what we’re looking at. But it gets better every week. So that’s kind of what you don’t know exactly what — which week these products going to come in. Is it going to be — make it into March, is it going to end up being the first week of April, we can’t predict at this point.
Yes. Yes. Okay. And so in those situations, you are in a position where you are potentially not getting supplied on product?
Yes. I mean, it could be a 1 or 2 week shortage of an item, right? We have so many SKUs in Home furnishing, are we going to run out of a SKU, it’s going to come off the website and another SKU will be on. And then as soon as we’re back in stock, it will come back on. So there’s no major issues, and the retailers are understanding. I mean, they have the same problem on anything that they import either from — directly or from other suppliers. So everyone is doing the best he can and working together.
Yes. Okay. And then just finally, I was wondering if you can remind us of your debt covenants?
Well, we’re satisfied with them, and we don’t generally disclose them. But obviously, if we did have a problem with them, you would know about it.
[Operator Instructions]. Your next question comes from Sabahat Khan with RBC Capital Markets.
It’s Chris on for Saba. Expectations for 2020, including the potential cadence throughout the year?
I’m sorry, can you repeat that?
Sure. Can you talk a bit about your top line growth expectations for 2020, including the cadence or pace of growth throughout the year?
Now, this assumes no virus, right, because I can’t answer the question if you’re going to put the impact of the virus because I honestly don’t know. I mean, I can just tell you, based on — if there was no virus and based on what we’re seeing so far this year, we are seeing all 3 segments have strength. I’m pleased. I’m pleased with the turnaround in Europe on the Juvenile and the U.S. business is still strong. Our Maxi-Cosi business is doing much better everywhere in the world. We’re seeing some — South America is doing better, but they have a huge currency issue that’s hit them right now. So we’re going to have to wait and see how that impacts them.
And again, on the bike side, Cannondale’s got a great momentum. The Pacific Cycle business is looking strong. Even today, demand is good across the board. Online demand is up significantly. And again, the Home Furnishing is doing well. So — but I — when you throw the virus then I don’t know the answer to that. I just can tell you as of yesterday, demand was still strong.
Okay, great. And then looking at your leverage profile heading into 2020, can you talk a little bit about your expectations for potential leverage reduction?
Yes. I mean, I think the biggest problem we had last year was the increase in the inventory. Really, I mean, you got to pay for that inventory. So we paid for it, and so our debts went up, and then our EBITDA was challenged, and EBITDA went down, and we ended up having higher ratios than we would like. So where are we going with this? Well, our inventories come down a lot, and we’re going to continue to monitor it and try and even push it down even more. So that will reduce the pressure on the amount of debt that we’re borrowing. We don’t have a lot of other cash expectations. We’re hoping to keep CapEx lower than we have in the past. So — we don’t have a dividend now. So I’m expecting the pressure on borrowing to be reduced. And again, hopefully, with the demand staying steady and our cost reduction plans that we have, we can protect our EBITDA and hopefully, grow the EBITDA. And again, the virus is a little — obviously, a lot unsettling, but if I have — if I can speak without the virus, we would expect the higher EBITDA and lower debt, and that would ease any pressure on the…
And then one last one for me. Could you talk about any potential cost savings from the European operations consolidation that you had mentioned?
It’s less about — I guess, a consolidation can be, I describe it as defensive or offensive. So in the case of our Juvenile, it was a defensive. We needed to remove costs, and we had too big a footprint. And we went through and we started that last year. The bike one is a little different. It’s more offensive. We are — our business is growing. It’s a good business in Europe. It’s a higher-margin business, and we want to be able to meet the challenges of the demand. So this allows us to significantly increase our capacity to assemble because we do a lot of assembly in Europe because of antidumping duties. And at the same time, consolidating 2 offices that we have in two parts of Europe into one, so we can work better, we can work faster, we can work smarter under one sort of management team instead of 2. So that’s really the reason behind it. So I don’t necessarily foresee a lot of cost savings, but we do see increased sales and increased…
Your next question comes from Derek Lessard with TD Securities.
Yes, just a few more for me. I don’t know if you guys hit on it, but it seems like your corporate costs were down significantly year-over-year and sequentially. I’m not sure if I have that right, but if so, you think you can maybe just help me — help explain why there is such a big drop?
I’m going to go — I mean, it was a difficult year. Bonuses were relatively minor compared to previous years. So that’s going to be the chunk. We also took — we took steps to reduce what we can, so there’s some of that. And between that and bonuses, I don’t know if there’s any other adjustments.
Now that’s — the big part of it, Jeffrey, was those bonuses.
Yes. Okay. Okay. So I guess, bonuses are — is it a sustainable — like the number we see there is that sort of a sustainable level going forward? Or is that quite shift…
I hope it isn’t because I hope we can be able to pay bonuses this year. So in that sense, I would expect that number to go up, providing we have a reasonably decent year, which we’re hoping for.
Okay. And maybe just one final one for me. And as — and I was wondering, given that a lot of the early season Pro races in Europe and — specifically, right now, have been canceled. Just wondering if you have any — if you are able to account for any sales tied to that sort of that type of exposure with the Pro team and marketing and what have you?
It’s a good question, but I don’t know if anybody knows the answer to that, right? I mean, I don’t recall a period in which racing wasn’t there and what the impact on bikes would be. So I don’t know the answer to that. We do know, and again, it’s more anecdotal at this point, but it’s people that are saying they don’t want to work out in the gym because they’re nervous, they don’t want to go to a spin class because they don’t want to be with people, and instead, they’re going to get out there and ride their bike and go outside with that. So we’re hoping that, that ends up being a supplement to any difficulty we might have because the races aren’t that difficult [indiscernible].
Okay. Actually — and one final one for me. I was wondering if you’ve gotten any imbalances you saw as you’ve seen your stock price decline, mostly on the — and whether or not you’ve had issues with supply or even on the demand side? Just wondering what…
No, I haven’t had any — I mean, it’s quite — we don’t generally talk a lot to people before we release the numbers. I mean, my only thing to point out there is the equity is trading at a level of, I don’t know, 1% of our EBITDA. So it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me where we trade, but I’m not going to comment more on that. Again, our business is — it’s tough, but it’s — I think it’s — we’ve got a lot of our stuff together now. And in all 3 businesses, some of the problems are behind us. We have a new problem with the virus, but everybody in the world has that problem. I’m going to say we’re way better off than airline and travels industry and entertainment. There’s a lot of people that are way worse than we are, but nevertheless, we don’t know the impact moving forward [indiscernible].
Yes, that’s fair. But do you have a sense of the — like the competitive environment in either of your businesses that might be impacted?
No. I mean, I think general demand is going to be there for all 3 segments. Other people have other issues. Yes, you know what, there are competitors and have other issues that they have to deal with that are going to get in their way, but I don’t think we have a strategic advantage or disadvantage because of the virus with anybody.
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