Enova International, Inc. (NYSE:ENVA) Q3 2022 Earnings Conference Call October 27, 2022 5:00 PM ET
Company Participants
Lindsay Savarese – Investor Relations
David Fisher – Chief Executive Officer
Steve Cunningham – Chief Financial Officer
Conference Call Participants
David Scharf – JMP
John Rowan – Janney
John Hecht – Jefferies
Vincent Caintic – Stephens
Operator
Good afternoon, and welcome to the Enova International Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded.
I’d now like to turn the conference over to Lindsay Savarese, Investor Relations for Enova International. Please go ahead.
Lindsay Savarese
Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Enova released results for the third quarter 2022 ended September 30, 2022, this afternoon after the market closed. If you did not receive a copy of our earnings press release, you may obtain it from the Investor Relations section of our website at ir.enova.com.
With me on today’s call are David Fisher, Chief Executive Officer; and Steve Cunningham, Chief Financial Officer. This call is being webcast and will be archived on the Investor Relations section of our website.
Before I turn the call over to David, I’d like to note that today’s discussion will contain forward-looking statements, and as such, is subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially as a result from various important risk factors, including those discussed in our earnings press release, and in our Annual Report on Form 10-K, quarterly reports on Form 10-Q, and current reports on Form 8-K.
Please note that any forward-looking statements that are made on this call are based on assumptions as of today, and we undertake no obligation to update these statements, as a result of new information or future events.
In addition to U.S. GAAP reporting, Enova reports certain financial measures that do not conform to Generally Accepted Accounting Principles. We believe these non-GAAP measures enhance the understanding of our performance. Reconciliations between these GAAP and non-GAAP measures are included in the tables found in today’s press release. As noted in our earnings release, we have posted supplemental financial information on the IR portion of our website.
And with that, I’d like to turn the call over to David.
David Fisher
Thanks, and good afternoon, everyone. I appreciate you joining our call today. I’ll start with an overview of our third quarter results and then I’ll discuss our strategy and outlook for the fourth quarter of 2022. After that, I’ll turn the call over to Steve Cunningham, our CFO will discuss our financial results and outlook in more detail.
The third quarter was another strong one for Enova. Revenue in the third quarter increased 42% year-over-year and 12% sequentially to $456 million. Adjusted EBITDA was $115 million and adjusted EPS was $1.74, both increases from Q3 of last year.
As these results demonstrate, the Enova team executed extremely well to deliver solid top and bottom line results despite the economic uncertainty. Last quarter, I know some question whether we were being overly optimistic and are forward-looking commentary, believing that we would not be able to effectively manage credit given high levels of inflation and the corresponding rising interest rates.
But our deep experience, sophisticated and proven machine learning driven analytics, diversified product offerings, strong balance sheet and our world class team enabled us to adapt to the changing landscape.
As a result, credit quality across our portfolio remains solid. Net charge-offs were 8.4% in the third quarter. This is slightly higher than Q2 as we continue to add a large number of new customers, which were 43% of total origination. Despite the increase over Q2, net charge-offs remain well below pre-COVID levels of 13.4% in Q3 of 2019 and 13.8% in Q3 of 2018.
In addition, at the end of the quarter we saw improvement in early payment performance across recent vintages, which is an encouraging sign as we head into what is typically our busiest season.
For years, we have spoken about the strength of our technology, our analytics, our team, and our consistent financial performance. Underwriting non-prime customers is not easy and that’s where the strengths give us a big advantage and a less certain environment like the one we are currently in, really highlights our differentiation from our competitors in these areas.
In addition, the high payment frequency and relatively short duration of our portfolio provides fast feedback that we can incorporate into ongoing decision making, enabling us to react quickly if needed.
Additionally, our diversified portfolio enables us to lean into the products that are doing well in a particular environment while being more conservative with those that are maybe a bit more challenging. Recently, we’ve been moderately more aggressive with our shorter maturity products while being a bit more conservative with our longer-term products.
This provides us with more visibility and allows us to adapt more quickly in an uncertain macroeconomic environment. So in this last quarter, we emphasized our shorter-term subprime line of credit products as well as our SMB products, which all have average effective terms of under a year while pulling back a bit on our near prime installment loans that have the longest average duration of any of our products.
In the third quarter, small business products represented 60% of our portfolio while consumer counted for 40%, within consumer line of credit products increased to 33% of our portfolio while installment products decreased to 67%. Given our continued focus on short maturity products, we expect the percentage of consumer installment loans in our portfolio to decrease over the next several quarters.
In addition, it was likely that SMB originations will continue to grow as a percentage of the total as we are seeing strong demand and strong unit economics. Credit performance of the SMB portfolio remains solid, and despite setting higher ROE targets during the quarter, originations remained strong.
We continue to analyze real-time cash flows as well as external data to monitor industries that are more prone to recessions and inflationary pressures. We are pleased with the portfolio we have curated over the last several quarters. Our small business brand presence as well as the diversity of our three SMB products positions us well to continue to capture share in this market.
Finally, as Steve will discuss in more detail, due to our consistent and predictable results, we’ve been able to build a strong balance sheet, ending the quarter with almost $800 million of total liquidity.
As we look forward to Q4 and early 2023, we are maintaining the balanced approach to growth and risk I mentioned a few minutes ago and have increased the ROE targets across all of our products.
While this approach will likely result in us originating a little less volume than we would have if we had a more growth-focused approach, we were still able to generate strong growth in Q3 and are optimistic that we will have strong originations in Q4 as well.
This optimism is in part due to us observing some of the strongest demand and lowest levels of competition in my nine years at Enova. Total company originations for the quarter reached $1.2 billion, up 10% sequentially and up 40% compared to the third quarter of 2021. While our portfolio grew 59% year-over-year to just over $2.6 billion.
On the demand side, while many consumers still have elevated savings from pandemic stimulus, these savings levels are declining in part due to the high levels of inflation we are currently experiencing.
This is resulting in an uptick in demand for credit. We believe that customers will be able to effectively manage these higher credit levels due to the historically high employment levels and strong wage growth. It is important to understand that our customers are familiar with living paycheck to paycheck and are sophisticated at managing variabilities in their cash flows.
Demand has also remained strong for our SMB products. Small business government stimulus has been exhausted, and we believe that we’re seeing additional tailwinds as banks have tightened credit, resulting in high credit quality borrowers who may have otherwise gone to a bank coming to us.
On the competitive side, we are seeing both consumer and SMB competitors pull back meaningfully on originations as they struggle to manage both credit and their loan portfolios and access to capital, problems that we are not experiencing.
Before I wrap up, I want to spend a minute on the recent ruling in the Fifth Circuit CFPB case. It now appears likely that the payment provision of the CFPB small dollar rule will not become effective. The work to comply with this provision would have been significant, and those efforts will now be focused on our balanced approach to growth and better serving our customers.
Also, if the original rule would have been implemented as proposed, would have likely required us to reduce lending to our lowest credit quality customers who are the ones most in need of credit. Notwithstanding the court’s ruling in this case, we continue to support sensible regulation that balances appropriate consumer protections with access to credit for all.
In sum, our continued success is a testament to our strong team, diversified product offerings and the strength of our proprietary technology and analytics. Looking ahead, we remain dedicated to our mission of helping hardworking people get access to fast, trustworthy credit. We will continue to manage the business to produce sustainable and profitable growth.
Now, I would like to turn the call over to Steve, who will discuss our financial results and outlook in more detail. And following Steve’s remarks, we’ll be happy to answer any questions that you may have. Steve?
Steve Cunningham
Thank you, David, and good afternoon, everyone. We’re pleased to report another quarter of solid top and bottom line financial performance that was in line with our expectations and characterized by focused growth, stable credit, operating cost discipline and balance sheet flexibility.
Turning to our third quarter results, total company revenue rose 12% sequentially and increased 42% from the third quarter of 2021 to $456 million. The increase in revenue was driven by the growth of total company combined loan and finance receivables balances, which on an amortized basis were $2.6 billion at the end of the third quarter, up 11% sequentially and nearly 60% higher than the third quarter of 2021.
As David noted, total company originations for the third quarter totaled $1.2 billion, up 10% sequentially and 40% higher than originations during the third quarter of 2021. Originations from new customers remained strong, totaling 43% of total originations as our marketing activities continue to attract new customers across our products.
Small Business revenue increased 15% sequentially and 72% from the third quarter of the prior year to $173 million. Small business receivables on an amortized basis totaled $1.6 billion at September 30, a 16% sequential increase and 80% higher than the end of the third quarter of 2021, as small business originations increased 75% from the prior year quarter to $807 million.
Revenue from our consumer businesses increased 10% sequentially and 29% from the third quarter of 2021 to $277 million. Consumer receivables on an amortized basis ended the quarter at $1.1 billion, up 3% from June 30 and 35% higher than the end of the third quarter of 2021, as consumer originations of $396 million were flat to the prior year quarter.
Looking ahead, we expect total company revenue for the fourth quarter to grow sequentially, but at a slower rate than the sequential growth rate for the third quarter, as we maintain our balanced approach between growth and risk that David discussed. This expectation will depend upon the level, timing and mix of origination’s growth.
Now turning to credit. Our net revenue margin was sequentially stable at 64% and the fair value of the consolidated portfolio as a percentage of principle increased more than a full percentage point during the quarter to 108%. These results indicate that credit during the quarter, including our future outlook remains stable and that our risk balance origination strategy is increasing the resiliency of our portfolio. For the third quarter, net charge-off and delinquency rates for the total company as well as for both the small business and consumer portfolios reflect the expected seasoning of recently originated vintages.
The total company ratio of net charge-offs as a percentage of average combined loan and finance receivables for the third quarter was 8.4%, up from 7.2% last quarter and 4.2% in the third quarter of 2021, which preceded the acceleration of growth and receivables over recent quarters, especially from new customers. The ratio of net charge-offs as a percentage of average combined loan and finance receivables for both the small business and consumer portfolios increased sequentially, but are similar or better than pre-pandemic levels at $3.3 billion of origination so far this year continue to season in line with expectations in our unit economics framework.
The percentage of total portfolio receivables past due 30 days or more was 5.6% at September 30, and it’s flat compared to the end of the third quarter a year ago. As we would typically expect between the second and third quarters due to an acceleration of originations to new customers, the ratio of total receivables past due 30 days or more increased sequentially from 5.1% at the end of the second quarter.
Importantly, we saw a sequential decline in early stage delinquencies driven by our consumer portfolio, which demonstrates our ability to effectively manage credit risk in the current operating environment. As I mentioned last quarter, while there may be quarter-to-quarter variations in credit metrics for our consumer and small business portfolios as vintages season, stability or improvement in the fair value premium as a percentage of principle typically reflects stability or improvement in the cumulative lifetime loss outlook for the portfolio, which was the case this quarter.
As a reminder, these lifetime loss forecasts and related fair value estimates receive significant review and validation internally from senior management and our analytics, accounting and model risk teams, and externally by our independent auditors from Deloitte, who have built their own models to test the accuracy of our fair value calculations each quarter. Similar to the past two quarters, we increased the discount rate used in the fair value calculations for our products to incorporate observed market information.
The increase this quarter of 40 basis points for each of our products decrease the fair value of our loan portfolio in the net revenue margin. Despite the impact of the discount rate adjustment, the fair value of the consolidated portfolio as a percentage of principle at September 30 increased from the end of the second quarter to 108%, reflecting a stable outlook for the expected lifetime credit performance of our total company portfolio.
The increase in the total company fair value premium this quarter was driven primarily by the fair value of the consumer portfolio, which increased to 109% from 106% at the end of the –at the end of last quarter, as the rate of early stage consumer delinquencies declined sequentially.
To summarize, the change in fair value line item this quarter was driven primarily by credit metrics and modeling at the end of the third quarter that continue to reflect a solid outlook for expected future credit performance, partially offset by higher discount rates and increases in net charge-offs during the third quarter as recently originated vintages have seasoned in line with our unit economics expectations.
Looking ahead, we expect the total company net revenue margin for the fourth quarter of 2022 to be in the range of 60% to 65%. Our future net revenue margin expectations will depend upon portfolio payment performance and the level, timing and mix of originations growth.
Now turning to expenses. Our operating costs this quarter continue to reflect the operating leverage inherent in our online model and thoughtful expense management to support our businesses. Total operating expenses for the third quarter, including marketing were $184 million or 40% of revenue compared to $151 million or 47% of revenue in the third quarter of 2021.
Marketing expenses totaled $101 million or 22% of revenue compared to $80 million or 25% of revenue in the third quarter of 2021. As a reminder, under fair value accounting, we recognize marketing expenses in the period they’re incurred instead of deferring a portion or recognizing them over the life of the loans as we did prior to 2020 and as many in the industry still do.
Looking forward, we expect marketing expenses as a percentage of revenue to be in the low 20% range in the near-term, but will depend upon the mix and growth of originations, especially from new customers. Operations and technology expenses for the third quarter totaled $46 million or 10% of revenue compared to $38 million or 12% of revenue in the third quarter of 2021.
Given the significant variable component of this expense category, sequential increases in O&T costs should be expected in an environment where originations and receivables are growing and should range between 10% and 11% of revenue.
General and administrative expenses for the third quarter totaled $37 million or 8% of revenue compared to $34 million or 10% of revenue in the third quarter of 2021. While there may be slight variations from quarter-to-quarter, we expect G&A expenses as a percentage of revenue to remain below 9% in the near-term.
We recognized adjusted earnings, a non-GAAP measure of $57 million for $1.74 per diluted share compared to $1.64 per diluted share last quarter and $1.50 per diluted share in the third quarter of the prior year. We ended the third quarter with $769 million of liquidity, including $189 million of cash and marketable securities, $580 million of available capacity on committed facilities.
With the addition of a new $125 million facility this week to support our near prime consumer installment business, we continue to demonstrate our ability to successfully access new liquidity at favorable terms. Our cost of funds for the third quarter was 6.5%, down from 6.7% for the third quarter of 2021.
And at the end of the third quarter, our marginal cost of funds range from approximately 2.1% to 6.7%, depending on the facility utilized, demonstrating our confidence in the continued strength of our business relative to our current valuation. During the third quarter, we acquired 588,000 shares at a cost of approximately $20 million. At September 30, we had $27 million remaining under our $100 million share repurchase program.
Our solid balance sheet and ample liquidity give us the financial flexibility to successfully navigate a range of operating environments and to continue to deliver on our commitments to long-term shareholder value through both continued investments in our business as well as share repurchases.
To summarize, our fourth quarter outlook. As we continue to execute an origination strategy that balances growth and risk against the current macro environment, we expect revenue to increase sequentially, but at a lower sequential rate than in the third quarter. We also expect to see stable credit in a total company net revenue margin in the range of 60% to 65%.
In addition, we expect marketing expenses to be in the low 20% of revenue and we expect our fixed costs to continue to scale with growth. These expectations should lead to an adjusted EBITDA margin in the mid-20% range, and we expect quarterly year-over-year increases in adjusted EPS to continue in the fourth quarter of 2022.
Our fourth quarter expectations will depend upon the level, timing and mix of origination’s growth. We remain confident that the demonstrated ability of our talented team has us well positioned to adapt to the evolving macro environment. Our resilient direct online only business model, diversified product offerings, nimble machine learning, powered credit risk management capabilities, and solid balance sheet, support our ability to continue to drive profitable growth while also effectively managing risk.
And with that, we’d be happy to take your questions. Operator?
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from David Scharf with JMP. You may now go ahead.
David Scharf
Thank you. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions.
David Fisher
Hey, David.
David Scharf
So it wouldn’t be 2022, if I didn’t start off just asking about credit. And what I’m wondering is, Dave, Obviously, Fed actions and inflation are impacting consumer household liquidity, but we haven’t really seen a meaningful change in the employment backdrop. And if there is unemployment, it may be more of a white-collar kind of phenomenon. But I’m wondering, since the fair value mark was more pronounced for your consumer loans as opposed to small business, is there an implied unemployment rate in 2023 since these are less than a year duration that’s embedded in sort of your loss forecasting?
David Fisher
No, it’s more analytical than macroeconomic. We’re not putting macro, big macroeconomic adjustments into our fair value calculations. But look, I mean, we’ve run this business for almost the entirety of it with unemployment rates much higher than where they are today. So if unemployment rates do move up in 2023 or 2024, even somewhat meaningful, I mean they can double. I mean and that’s still kind of getting back to a more normal level of – a more normal unemployment rate. So that’s not a big conserve of ours.
In addition, wages have been very, very strong. Wage growth has been very strong. And that kind of supports people being able to pay back their loans also. So look, there are some choppiness and bumpiness in the credit markets and individuals and kind of pockets that can be impacted. But that’s where our experience and our analytics has worked really, really well. And yes, we have to put in a lot of hard work to keep it on the right path, but it’s something we absolutely know how to do. We know how to put in that hard work and seen us how stable. Not only is our credit been good, but it’s been just really stable over the last several quarters despite how much the macroeconomic environment has changed.
David Scharf
Yes. No, clearly. And maybe a follow-up on that is, you think about your origination strategies. It sounded like just given some of the macro uncertainties it felt like or it sounded like you’re leaning more towards limiting duration risk as opposed to waiting originations towards higher quality near prime credits. Can you just walk through some of the reasoning there? It sounds a little – in some way it maybe a little counterintuitive.
David Fisher
For some reason, the world believes that higher – loans to higher credit quality customers are less risky and on an individual loan, sure. But in your portfolio where you can do – where you have – we have great experience estimating loss rates. That’s not true at all. We can be off by 100s of basis points in our default estimates or charge-off estimates and still be fine. You’re a super prime credit card lender and you’re off by 50 or – 50 basis points and your charge-off estimates and things start getting bad pretty quickly. So credit quality is what we do super well. And we have no concerns about our ability to underwrite across the near prime and subprime spectrum.
Duration risk is what can get more challenging in an uncertain macroeconomic environment. You have loans that are out there three, four, five years, and the economy takes a major turn, you have a big portfolio that you now need to deal with. So we did is pivoted to a portfolio kind of where a large majority of the loans we originated in the last couple of quarters, have average durations of less than a year, you can react very quickly if the economy turns.
And so that’s really been our focus over the last quarter or so. As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, that’s going to continue to be our focus over the next several quarters. So for example, if you think about our near prime installment book, that’s probably going to – can reduce the most. But across the rest of our portfolio, whether it’s SMB that has some of our lowest APRs or subprime consumer that has some of our highest APRs, we’re going to continue to be moderately across balancing growth with risk because we’re comfortable with the duration of those loans.
David Scharf
Got it. If I can just squeeze in just a mechanical question as a follow-up to that. The yields came in a little higher than we were forecasting this quarter, particularly for consumer. Should they continue to sequentially trend up in consumer because of the mix shift away from near prime or the third quarter average levels, could sort of benchmark to model over the next few quarters?
Steve Cunningham
Yes, David, I think – this is Steve. I think some of what you’re seeing is some of the mix shift that David talked about in the consumer side. But even if you just take a look at quarter-to-quarter this year, we’ve averaged between one of consumer side, which is not sort of out of range. And I think SMB has been very, very flat. So the top of the house is a little bit more of a mix shift. But underneath it will be driven by the products, which would be probably a little bit more challenge David discuss.
David Scharf
Got it. Okay, thanks so much.
David Fisher
Thanks, David.
Operator
Our next question will come from John Rowan with Janney. You may now go ahead.
John Rowan
Good afternoon, guys. So I know you gave guidance for the fourth quarter margin of 60% to 65%, past the fourth quarter is 55% to 65% still the right number?
Steve Cunningham
It is at the top of the house, John. That’s still our – what we think our sort of long-term range will be. There will be quarter-to-quarter variations in that, obviously, because we’re not sort of in a typical environment, but 55% to 65% is the right way to think about consolidated.
John Rowan
And then in the fourth quarter, obviously – well, in the third quarter, we did see a 16% charge-off rate in the consumer book. Maybe can you just touch on that historically speaking, and whether or not that’s a peak given some of the early payment default information that you provided in your commentary?
Steve Cunningham
Well, like I mentioned in my commentary, we are seeing early stage delinquencies in the consumer portfolio down sequentially, which usually is a very positive indicator of what’s to come. And if you take a look at this year, our consumer charge-off rates on a quarterly basis have been between 14% and 16%. In 2018 and 2019, they intended to range between 13% and 17%. So sort of well within the historical norms and really positioned coming out of the quarter with a pretty resilient book based on what we’re seeing with credit quality.
David Fisher
And I would just add, as you think about that number in Q4 and kind of Q1, we’re still generating strong numbers of new customers. And Q4 can be a big new customer quarter as well. So you’ll see a little bit of that flow through, but it shouldn’t be anything dramatic.
John Rowan
On the other point too, and this kind of dovetails into what David just mentioned, even if charge-offs are higher in the fourth quarter, with you focusing in on more of the short-term products, right, there’s some yield that comes along with those as well as an offsetting factor, right? Is that something that will continue into the fourth quarter, possibly, if we do see a higher charge-off rate, just would we have a corresponding yield adjustment in the consumer book?
Steve Cunningham
Yes. I mean the net revenue margin considers that range that we gave you in the guidance there. And like we mentioned in the commentary, a lot of the changes sequentially in what’s happening with the credit metrics is driven by the expected seasoning of these vintages as we bring them on. So with new customer mix and mix of product underneath, there can be some variations from quarter-to-quarter, but that net revenue guide is sort of your best indicator of how that will sort itself out.
David Fisher
But yes, I mean if you think about the mix shift, it’s mostly from moderately lower APR loans to higher APR loans.
John Rowan
Yes. And then just last question for me. We’ve heard a couple of conference calls here now with lenders saying that competition has gotten a lot weaker and they can exploit kind of these pockets of weakness. What do you attribute that to? Is that just credit fear? Is it liquidity crunch? We’re hearing, frankly, of some dislocation in the ABS markets over the last few weeks. I’m just trying to pinpoint what it is that’s causing competition for you guys specifically to show up weaker than has been in the case – it has been in the past? Thank you.
David Fisher
Yes, I think it’s both. And I think you’ve seen it in some of the public companies and there’s – we’ve seen it in some of the private companies as well. There are companies that have struggled with credit, both on the SMB side and on the consumer side, decent sized public companies. I think you’ve heard talk about issues in their kind of near prime book and kind of shifting to higher credit quality customers, which is great for us because we know how to underwrite near-prime customers. We’re super comfortable doing it and are not struggling there.
And I think there’s a little bit of flight to quality in the ABS market, the securitization market, term loan market, their kind of seasoned issuers that have proven performance like us have been able to continue to issue is – warehouse facility in place a few days ago $770 million, I think Steve said a liquidity at the end of the quarter. So we’re super strong position there.
But yes, there are lenders both on the consumer side and the small business side. There’s a couple on the news in the last couple of days that have pulled back at significant layoffs because they don’t have a strong access to liquidity right now.
Have you seen these dislocations tend to be shorter-term in nature? These markets tend not to be shut down for years on end, but we have plenty of liquidity now. We’re still able to access the markets, and I think that’s going to put us even a stronger place going forward.
John Rowan
Okay. Thank you.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Our next question will come from John Hecht with Jefferies. You may now go ahead.
John Hecht
Hey guys, thanks very much. I think most of my questions have been asked. I’m wondering – I know you guys, to some degree, could track the use cases of the credit you provide. Given kind of the emerging inflationary environment, is there any change in the use case or the behavior of the borrowers? Or is it pretty consistent with what you’ve seen over the last several years?
David Fisher
Very, very minor. I think the – but yes, I think over – especially during COVID where there was a lot of stimulus money, the use cases tend to be a lot more towards big one-time emergencies. And then I guess that would be expected and with all the stimulus that’s why demand was down a fair amount during 2020 and into 2021.
Now, it’s pivoted a teeny bit to kind of smaller cash needs than kind of big life-changing types of things, but it’s really around – yes, just I mean the kind of – if you look at kind of what people are using money for now, it’s not different than historic numbers. It’s just kind of getting a little bit more back to normal kind of post-COVID.
John Hecht
And then I guess, pivoting or kind of following on some of the questions about competition. Is the – are you able to assess that the – because of the favorable competitive environment that the customer acquisition costs are going down? Are you able to kind of optimize that a little bit more?
David Fisher
I think what we’ve been able to do is be a bit more conservative on credit and still originate pretty high levels and show good origination growth. So if competition was stronger, us being a bit more conservative on the credit side, it might have resulted in lower levels of originations. So it tends not to affect CPS, right, as much because you try to originate to your ROE targets. We did raise our ROE targets a bit, and so that helps. But no, it really is just keeping origination levels high despite tighter credits.
John Hecht
Okay. And then final, just because it’s always interesting to track some of your new growth endeavors, but any update with Brazil or Pangea?
David Fisher
Pangea, yes. They’re both doing well. This market hasn’t really – hasn’t hurt either a lot of them. Brazil’s economy is actually starting to turn around a little bit and they’re actually – their currency has done better against the dollar than pretty much any currency in the world over the last six months. So that’s been a good sign.
And Pangea is nice that it’s a teeny bit recession – without even recession resistance, they kind of benefit a little bit by recessions as wages go up, people can send more dollars to kind of to other countries. And so yes, Pangea is doing really, really well. I mean the growth rates are very, very high in that business. It’s just still tiny. So that’s why we’re not talking more about it.
John Hecht
Yes. Okay. Thanks very much, guys.
David Fisher
Yes.
Steve Cunningham
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question will come from Vincent Caintic with Stephens. You may now go ahead.
Vincent Caintic
Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to focus on the SMB side since you were discussing that you’re looking to kind of grow into SMB side and maybe scale back on the consumer side. And it’s a broad question, if you could talk about the health of the small business borrower what they’re using the loans for?
To be candid, there’s I think, less of a focus on small business because there’s not many other – there’s not other publicly traded – pure-play companies out there. So maybe if you could kind of give us an idea of that, what the health of that small business? And also, are there leading indicators to track when to gauge the health of that small business borrower? Thank you.
David Fisher
Yes. Good questions. I think one thing to keep in mind, right off the top on that question is we do a lot of segmentation within our small business lending by industries and by states and by size. And so, which is something we do much less of on the consumer side. So there are definitely industries right now that are hurting. And we’ve been smart. We’ve been staying away from them for a while.
So construction has been a place where we really start backing away from three or four quarters ago, which was a great decision in hindsight. Trucking has been a complete mess that whole industry is just messed up between fuel prices and supply chain issues, both affecting ability to repair your trucks and also keeping trucks full. I mean, that industry is just a complete mess.
So we backed away from trucking very early this year as well. Those are just two examples. At a more micro level, we’re really fine-tuning where we’re comfortable lending and where we’re not. So it’s hard to describe SMBs as a whole. Beyond that, the pandemic what got a lot of weak small businesses.
And the ones that are left looked stronger than they did pre-pandemic, less competition. Businesses were able to weather the storm tend to be better on and that’s giving us some confidence going into the recession. And then third, they’ve been able to pass along on price, and that’s why there’s so much inflation.
Yes, there’s supply – they’re paying more for some of the stuff they’re doing, but they’ve been able to pass along price, which is why we’re seeing inflation. And the consumer is still spending, and that’s keeping these small businesses doing well. So we obviously keep a close eye on it and not only at a macro level with a very, very micro level, we look at it. But as of today, credit in that business is looking very, very good.
Vincent Caintic
Okay. Great. Thank you. And another question for Steve on the funding side. Maybe if you can talk about any additional funding needs and the impact of rising rates and what’s maybe also what you’re seeing on spreads. It’s nice to see that you recently had a funding completed, but if you could talk about what you’re looking at the next couple of quarters? Thank you.
Steve Cunningham
Sure. So as we talked about, we’ve been very successful raising new facilities and new money with favorable terms. Say, overall, spreads are a little wider just in terms of the nature of the environment that we’re in, but we are definitely on a competitive basis on the good side of that, as you can see with our cost of funds continuing to come down year-over-year. And I think with further rate increases, only about half of our debt structure is floating rate.
And if you just take a look at how much the Fed funds has moved just this year and just take a look at our cost of funds in Q4 is flat to where we are today. I think that demonstrates that we’re not entirely floating, and we’re also still capturing some of that spread benefit that we had locked in over time. So I feel really good about our ability to continue to bring on capacity as we need it as we continue to grow going forward and doing that in a very economical way.
Vincent Caintic
Okay. Great. And I guess with the plan to shorten duration on the loans, I would think that the velocity of your capital is going to increase. So perhaps, I would think maybe the funding needs would actually go down all else being equal, if that’s a fair comment. Just your thoughts there.
Steve Cunningham
Yes. I mean I – maybe a touch, but we’ll still need to be accessing external financing for small business, for example, maybe a little less on the consumer side, but definitely still needing the markets for small business.
Vincent Caintic
Okay. Great. Very helpful. Thanks so much.
David Fisher
Okay.
Operator
This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to David Fisher, CEO, for any closing remarks.
David Fisher
Yes. Thanks, everyone. We appreciate you joining our call today and look forward to speaking with you again next quarter. Have a good evening.
Operator
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