Pixelworks, Inc. (NASDAQ:PXLW) Q4 2022 Earnings Conference Call February 9, 2023 6:00 PM ET
Company Participants
Brett Perry – Shelton Group, IR
Todd DeBonis – President and CEO
Haley Aman – CFO
Conference Call Participants
Rajiv Gill – Needham & Company
Suji Desilva – ROTH Capital
Richard Shannon – Craig-Hallum
Operator
Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Pixelworks, Inc.’s Fourth Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. I will be your operator for today’s call.
At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Following management’s prepared remarks, instructions will be given for the question-and-answer session. This conference call is being recorded for replay purposes.
I would now like to turn the call over to Brett Perry of Shelton Group, Investor Relations.
Brett Perry
Thank you, Andrew. Good afternoon and thank you for joining today’s call. With me on the call are Pixelworks’ President and CEO, Todd DeBonis and Chief Financial Officer, Haley Aman.
The purpose of today’s conference call is to supplement the information provided in Pixelworks press release issued earlier today announcing the company’s financial results for the fourth quarter of 2022.
Before we begin, I’d like to remind you of various remarks we make on this call, including those about projected future financial results, economic and market trends and competitive position constitute forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements and all other statements made on this call that are not historical facts are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to different materially. All forward-looking statements are based on the company’s beliefs as of today, Thursday, February 09, 2023. The company undertakes no obligation to update any such statements to reflect events or circumstances occurring after today. Please refer to today’s press release, our annual report on Form 10 K for the year ended December 31, 2021, and subsequent SEC filings for a description of factors that could cause forward-looking statements to differ materially from actual results.
Additionally, the company’s press release and management statements during this conference call will include discussions of certain measures and financial information in GAAP and non-GAAP terms, including gross margin, operating expense, at loss, net loss per share. Non-GAAP measures exclude amortization of acquired intangible assets and stock-based compensation expense, as well as the tax effect of the non-GAAP adjustments and the impact of non-GAAP adjustments to redeemable non-controlling interests. The company uses these non-GAAP measures internally to assess operating performance. We believe these non-GAAP measures provide a meaningful perspective into core operating results and underlying cash flow dynamics. We caution investors to consider these measures in addition to and not as a substitute for not-superior truth company’s consolidated financial results as presented in accordance with GAAP.
Also note throughout the company’s press release and management statements during this conference call, we refer to net loss attributable to Pixelworks, Inc. as simply net loss. For additional details and a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP net loss and GAAP net loss to adjusted EBITDA please refer to the company’s press release issued earlier today.
With that, it’s now my pleasure to turn the call over to Todd for his opening remarks. Please go ahead.
Todd DeBonis
Thank you, Brett, and good afternoon to those participating on the call. I’m pleased to be joining you today from a morning in Shanghai. I’ve recently been catching up with the team and our customers.
Let me start with a few observations that I’ve made over the last two weeks here in China. First with the rollback of China’s strict COVID policies in mid-November, what many might not realize is that a majority of people here, including nearly all of the employees throughout China are employees, spent December at home with COVID and then recovering, making it a very weak month in terms of productivity.
It wasn’t until the turn of the calendar year that real normalization began and increased productivity in the return of the consumer engagement and having personally witnessed the tailend of the recent Chinese Lunar New Year holiday, it is readily apparent that people are enthusiastic about getting back to normal, traveling locally and spending again.
At a high level, these are encouraging and positive signs not only for our China-based employees and their families, but also for Pixelworks’ overall business as well as the global macroeconomic environment.
Turning to a recap of our financial results, for the fourth quarter, both top and bottom line were slightly lower than the midpoint of our guidance. Total revenue was up 2% year-over-year as our team to continue to execute well in the face of growing macro and end markets market specific challenges.
Looking at the full year, we delivered double-digit growth across each of our target end markets and total revenue growing 27% over the prior year, and this was following our annual growth of 35% in 2021.
During what has been a challenging period for most of the semiconductor industry, this solid growth combined with Pixelworks’ history of technology leadership and visual processing, has served us well in the local private capital markets here in China.
In late December, we completed the agreement to take in another strategic investment in our Shanghai subsidiary, which was fully closed and funded in early February. The latest capital investment, which was funded by two previous investors as well as Pixelworks’ Shanghai employees generated proceeds equivalent to approximately $15.7 million in exchange for just over 3% equity interest in the subsidiary.
Recalling that some US investors were skeptical when we announced the first private placement in Pixelworks’ Shanghai in October of 2020, I would highlight that this third round of strategic investment valued the subsidiary at more than $500 million and today Pixelworks Inc. continues to hold a majority equity interest of approximately 78%.
Collectively, these strategic investments are a testament to the recognized value of Pixelworks’ technology in China, as well as the future growth opportunity of the business. These transactions have also served to fund our ongoing growth initiatives as well as properly capitalized Pixelworks Shanghai in advance of applying for a local listing later this year.
Shifting to the end markets and starting with mobile, the industry-wide inventory correction in smartphones coupled with softer consumer demand in China continued to play out as expected, resulting in lower mobile revenue in the fourth quarter.
As discussed on our last conference call, we’ve kept internal inventory of our visual processor ICS lean while reducing our channel inventory back to normal levels. For Pixelworks in q4, the impact has largely a derivative of the current market dynamics with mobile OEMs slowing the pace of new smartphone launches, rescheduling various other models and cancelling certain programs as they’ve prioritized working down excess component inventory.
Although the gap in OEM launches of NextGen smartphone models has temporarily paused our quarterly growth, our mobile business still had a very solid year in spar in spite of the weaker over overall smartphone market. For the full year mobile revenue was up 17% over 2021, which was up 200% over 2020.
With our visual processing solutions incorporated in 20 newly launched smartphone models in 22, our mobile customers continue to include nearly all of the tier one handset OEMs and their affiliate premium brands in China.
And despite taking a little longer than originally targeted, I’m confident we will announce models from the fourth tier one for our visual processor line-up in 2023. Underpinning or expanded penetration of these tier ones has been our commitment to maintaining a deep level of engagement with the customers and deliver uniquely differentiated visual performance as well as our ongoing strategic initiatives to cultivate a more collaborative mobile display ecosystem.
As highlighted on previous calls, we’ve made multiple ground PA breaking achievements over the last year in our efforts to champion a comprehensive and engaged ecosystem for mobile gaming. This included our first ever direct collaboration with multiple leading gaming engine platforms and design studios, which we expect to yield the release of a series of additional top mobile gains over the coming year that are specifically designed to support the rendering accelerator in our X7 visual processor.
As the most recent example of our broad ecosystem efforts in November, we announced an expanded collaboration with Media Tech to incorporate Pixelworks’ visual processing Pro software into their latest density 9,200 5G smartphone chipset.
This new cooperation specifically targeted the enabling of precision color and high frame rate displays, ensuring that smartphones built on the Density 9,200 platform are capable of delivering a true next gen flagship gaming experience. This ongoing technical collaboration will serve to further improve the gaming experience and encourage broader market adoption of high frame rate mobile gaming models and content.
Briefly highlighting a few recent announced mobile wins; in late December, the Honor ADGT and iQOO Neo 7 racing edition smartphones were both launched incorporating Pixelworks’ upgraded X5 Plus visual processor. Each of these phones are built on Qualcomm’s, recently released Snapdragon 8 plus Gen 1 mobile platform, and they support 120 Hertz refresh rate while leveraging Pixelworks’ X5 series of our patented motion engine technology.
HDR enhancement and multiple other dimensions of visual effect enhancement, all of which are tailored to provide a superior high frame rate gaming experience.
In January, OnePlus launched its latest flagship smartphone, the OnePlus 11 incorporating Pixelworks’ X7 visual processor. It’s one of the first phones launched with our newest Generation X7 series. The OnePlus 11 redefines the meaning of visual excellence for mobile gaming. Built on the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 mobile platform, this smartphone sports and eye-catching 6.7 inch 2K curve display, with the real LTPO 30 technology, while simultaneously supporting refresh rates of up to 120 hertz.
Following the first of its kind in-depth collaboration with OnePlus on this flagship this smartphone leverages the core technologies in X7 chipset and features our new ultra low latency motion engine for high frame rate together with low power super resolution for simultaneous display in 2K resolution.
Earlier this week, OnePlus followed up with the launch of the OnePlus ACE 2 smartphone, also incorporated an RX7 chipset. The OnePlus ACE 2 is built on a Snapdragon 8 plus Gen 1 mobile platform and comes with a 1.5 K amoled screen supporting refresh rates up to 120 hertz.
This model similarly features our X7’s new ultra low latency motion engine and low power super resolution, together with always on HDR and industry leading color calibration. Also noteworthy is that Pixelworks’ ultra-low latency motion engine technology in both the OnePlus 11 and the OnePlus ACE 2 smartphones, have now been optimized for over a 100 of the most popular mobile gains.
Turning to the latest developments of our true motion platform, following the release of light storm entertainment’s Avatar in September, I can now confirm that Pixelworks’ TrueCut motion grading was also utilized in James Cameron’s newly released Avatar The Way of the Water. This long awaited sequel frequently referred to as Avatar 2 was distributed globally to theaters by 20th Century in 4K HDR high frame rate and uniquely shown in cinematic high frame rate.
When I first looked, the film had surpassed gross box office sales of 2.1 billion, ranking it among the top five highest gross movies of all time in less than two months. Equally amazing. Whether they realize it or not is that tens of millions of people from around the world have now personally experienced TrueCut motion.
Most importantly, this extremely successful and highly praised release prove that there is a global ecosystem in place capable of capable of supporting cinematic high frame rate paving. The way for expanded industry adoption as previously announced TrueCut motion will also be featured in the re-release of Titanic remastered in 4K HDR later this month.
These three high profile titles have significantly heightened the interest and awareness of our TrueCut motion platform. We aim to continue building on the strong momentum in 2023 by assembling a critical mass of theatrical titles together by growing a global home entertainment ecosystem.
Shifting to our projector, business demand remained relatively steady through the back half of the year with revenue in the fourth quarter increasing more than 13% year over year for the full year revenue was up 23% as projector customers placed significant orders in response to very tight supply environment. Generally speaking, projector OEMs have continued to see the GA gradual improvement in their supply chains.
However, supply lead times and pricing on certain components have yet to fully normalize. Combined with two consecutive years of roughly 20% growth, the current consensus among these customers has been to moderate their orders and expectations entering 2023 until they have better visibility into the global macro trends and end market demand
More specific to Pixelworks in the fourth quarter, I’m pleased to report that the team successfully completed a significant milestone on our co-development project with our largest projector customer. As a result of this milestone, we recognized an r and D credit reducing our OPEX for the quarter. All remaining activity associated with this co-development project remains on track and we currently expect this new SSC chip to be available for the production at the end of this year.
Briefly following on my comments last quarter related to end of life, we implemented a group of legacy IC products we have historically sold in the very niche video delivery applications. As previously discussed, these applications typically require unique packaging and lower unit volumes, making them increasingly difficult to source materials for and supply efficiently.
We received solid customer response on the last time purchase orders for the fourth quarter, which contributed to a sizable one-time increase in revenue. The EOL of these non-strategic products will lower the quarterly revenue contribution from video delivery going forward.
However, it will also eliminate, eliminate operational inefficiencies and enable a more productive reallocation of our team and resources. Although going forward, we will address a relatively small legacy market in which we will continue to market and sell a selective series of our transcoder ICS for consumer applications in Japan and as well as OTA devices in the us.
In summary, the team has done a good job of mitigating impacts of both the macro and industry specific headwinds over the past couple of quarters. Although we expect market conditions to remain challenging in the current quarter, the entire organization is now well capitalized to continue executing on our longer term strategic initiatives.
This includes ongoing efforts to further expand the ecosystem in support of mobile gaming, including an aggressive visual processor roadmap and our TrueCut motion platform. While we continue to prepare our pixel work Shanghai subsidiary to apply for a star market listing, we believe we are well positioned for the market recovery and mobile and our currently seen channel inventories and design activities support this with a growing pipeline of design ends for our X7 visual processor.
In addition, we are in target to introduce a new mobile visual processor in the second half of this year and sample our new projector SSC in Q2 of this year. Lastly, we also continue to field significant inbound interest in are evaluating multiple prospective strategic license agreement engagements that represent the potential for expanded growth opportunities spanning both our existing and new adjacent and markets taking all together. I firmly believe that we can achieve renewed momentum and resume our recent growth trajectory in the coming quarters of 2023.
With that, I’ll hand the call to Haley, review the financials and provide our guidance for the first quarter.
Haley Aman
Thank you. Todd. Revenue for the fourth quarter of 2022 was $16.9 million. Our top line results in the quarter were primarily driven by continued year over year growth in the projector market combined with an increase in revenue contribution from video delivery related to increased sales of end of life products.
The breakdown of revenue in the fourth quarter was as follows, revenue from mobile was approximately $3.6 million, representing 22% of total revenue in the fourth quarter. Revenue from projector was approximately 9.2 million. Video delivery revenue in the fourth quarter increased to approximately 4 million, reflecting the last time purchase orders for specific end of life products.
Following the E O L in the fourth quarter, we anticipate lower quarterly revenue contribution from sales into the video delivery market. As such, beginning with the first quarter of 2023, the revenue breakout that I just provided will group revenue contributions from projector and video delivery into a single market category called home and enterprise non gap.
Gross profit margin was 53.3% in the fourth quarter of 2022 compared to 49.8% in the third quarter of 2022 and compared to 55% in the fourth quarter of 2021, non-GAAP operating expenses were 10.8 million in the fourth quarter compared to $12.2 million last quarter and $11 million in the fourth quarter of 2021.
As indicated on our previous conference call during the quarter, we completed the next milestone related to our co-development agreement and as a result we recognized a $2.5 million credit to R&D, which reduced our total operating expenses for the fourth quarter on a non-GAAP basis.
Fourth quarter 2022 net loss was approximately $800,000 or a loss of $0.01 per share compared to a net loss of $3.2 million or a loss of $0.06 per share in the prior quarter, and a net loss of $1.4 million or a loss of $0.03 per share in the fourth quarter of 2021. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter of 2022 was a negative $1 million compared to a negative $2.1 million last quarter and a negative $1.1 million in the fourth quarter of 2021.
Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with cash and cash equivalent of $56.8 million. I’d like to point out that the cash balance at quarter end does not include the proceeds from the most recent sale of equity interest in our Shanghai subsidiary, which we announced in late December. As Todd mentioned, we successfully closed this transaction after the end of the quarter and the proceeds will be included in the company’s reported cash balance for the first quarter of 2023.
Shifting to our current expectations and guidance for the first quarter of 2023, based on current order trends in backlog, we expect a weaker than normal first quarter. In addition to historical seasonality in the projector market, we are also expecting projector customers to continue to work through existing inventory in the first quarter.
Also, as Todd mentioned, we expect the first quarter to reflect the trough of the inventory correction in the smartphone market. With that, we anticipate total revenue in the first quarter to be in a range of between $9 million and 11 million. We believe this quarter will be the low point for the year with revenue beginning to recover in the second quarter, followed by an anticipated return to year over year growth in the second half of the year.
Non-GAAP gross profit margin in the first quarter is expected to be between 43% and 45%. This anticipated gross margin range reflects product mix and reduced absorption rate associated with lower revenue as unit sales of ICS and total revenue recover, we expect post margin to return to our targeted historical range in the low fifties. We expect operating expenses in the first quarter to range between $12.5 million and $13.5 million on a non-GAAP basis.
As a reminder, operating expenses in the fourth quarter benefited from a $2.5 million milestone credit to R&D related to our co-development project. Excluding this credit anticipated first quarter operating expenses at the midpoint would be approximately flat to down compared to the fourth quarter.
Lastly, we expect first quarter non-GAAP EPS to range between a loss of $0.18 per share and a loss of $0.14 per share. That completes our prepared remarks and we look forward to taking your questions.
Operator, please proceed with the q and e session. Thank you
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
[Operator instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Rajiv Gill Needham & Company.
Rajiv Gill
Yes, thank you for taking my questions. I appreciate it. Just wondering, in terms of the commentary and the Chinese smartphone you’re, you’re in indicating that it will bottom in in q1. I’m just wondering if you could maybe elaborate a little bit further in terms of where the channel inventory is right now.
You talked about kind of growth in the second quarter. Is this based on kind of feedback you’re getting from customers? Are they starting to plan for that? Just any issues on the any questions on the mobile China segment?
Todd DeBonis
So, I think there, you’re getting all kinds of feedback Rajiv from all different companies that are exposed like we are in our particular case, we keep lean. So then the next thing is to keep an eye on the channel inventories.
Our channel inventories peaked in Q3 for mobile, and they came down reasonably well in q4, but part of that was a down revenue quarter for, for mobile in q4. We will see another down quarter in Q1, but as of today, our mobile inventories are either back to normal levels or I would suggest given the ramp we’re going to see in the back half of the year.
They’re lean. Now, the customer inventory LE levels I would say is a mixed bag. I have one customer that overbought the older processor, you’ll see more phone launches from them out of the older processes.
They as they digest that inventory, but they’re sitting on that inventory, right? They’re working through that inventory. They’ll probably that customer will probably get through that inventory mm, Q2 into early Q3. But the rest of the customers I would say are at normal inventory levels today. And if they are leaning on our new processor, they don’t have inventory, we’re ramping those inventories.
So, for example, OnePlus you’ve already seen some, some models come out of them. You’ll probably see more models come out of them. They’re all X7 related. They were not sitting on inventory of X7, right? So if you put the whole thing together, our, our mobile inventories I would suggest are back to normal or below normal.
And so the growth going forward, Q2, Q3, Q4 will purely depend on how successful we are with new phone launches and then the volume of those phone launches. And probably to give you one more layer of granularity there in the first two weeks, so these two OnePlus launches have been well received. They have uptick their forecast from us in the first two weeks.
Rajiv Gill
I appreciate all that color. Todd, thank you. Just staying on the topic of China, if I can what’s been the feedback in terms of the customer forecast and you mentioned the OnePlus kind of uptick their forecast.
When you kind of look at the China handset customers as they and I appreciate somewhere kind of, it’s a mixed bag, but in general, when they’re looking at their forecast for 2023 and then maybe even 2024, is there a conservative kind of rebuild that’s being kind of felt in their forecast or because they’re going to be more cautious of what happened last year? Or how do you think about that their forecast?
Todd DeBonis
Their hard forecasts and their ordering patterns are cautious. My personal expectation is too cautious. I think they’re going to get bit on the upside of demand in the back half of the year.
Rajiv Gill
And that’s interesting, and then you talked a little bit about anecdotally and kind of what you’re seeing in China. I guess how would you describe, from your vantage point, the Chinese economy and the China consumer, based on your conversations with folks there and talking to the employees as well. Is there an expectation that there’s going to be more of a reopening and things are going to get back to normal relatively soon? Or is there still kind of caution there?
Operator
Please standby. I see we have — Todd having some technical difficulties, please standby. [Operator instructions] Please continue and Rajiv.
Todd DeBonis
Is still all right, Rajiv is still there?
Rajiv Gill
Yes, I’m okay.
Todd DeBonis
So I don’t know where I dropped off. I think I dropped off somewhere. I was talking about that they — that phone OEM customers had to do abnormal behavior, which is digest older technology inventory and I think their end markets were soft. So this caused them to be cautious. Their hard forecasts and their ordering pattern is still cautious, right?
In my particular case, these phones, they’re upticking, but I would say in general, they’re still cautious. The dialogue though, I can see them warming up, and it really has been they’re trying to gauge, it collectively all four tier one OEMs. So I would suggest some are more exposed to the international markets than others, but collectively, 70% of their volume comes to China.
And so it’s the main driver for them, and it’s the main driver for their sentiment. And, if you just walk around, it is busy. People are not, I would, I figured they would be shell shot from what they went through for the last 12 months. They are not, they’re just — they’re ready to get out and they’re ready to resume their lives.
And I think you’ll start to see some the consumer come back. I think they’ll be cautious. And I think that the sup, the phone OEMs are sort of warming up to that. I’ve talked to three of the four tier ones already in the first two weeks I’ve been here they, two of them are bullish. One of them is sanguine, right?
It’s mixed color. I think it’s going to change what, I think what they’re worried about is that they’re seeing a near term uptick in business. They don’t know if it’s sustainable, but they don’t know.
Rajiv Gill
In terms of the, the inventory of components that the Chinese handset customers are holding, do you think we’re at bare bone levels? Is there any way to kind of quantify that relative to history?
Todd DeBonis
Well, like I said, different vendors, different situation, right? I’ve also met with, I have many friends in the industry over here that, that represent other suppliers into the, the supply chain for mobile phones.
And, I had dinner with a gentleman two nights ago and, and he, he represents a large supplier into the market and their channel inventories are still at six to eight months and their customer inventories are at another six months.
And so in that particular, in that particular supplier’s situation, I would call normal four months of customer inventory, maybe three months of customer inventory, depending if you’re ramping or not and 45 days of channel inventory. So, they’re a long ways from normal.
Appreciate all the color using those same — using those same numbers. I would say our channel inventory is normal in aggregate, our customer inventory is still a little bloated, which is why we have the Q1 forecast. But, the question for us is, is how much does it bounce back in Q2?
If I look at the long term program, so there’s the short term, what is the market telling us? It, it’s cautiously optimistic. And then in Pixelworks is, okay, is your strategic initiative to be adopted by more customers and then have those customers widen the exposure of the use of your visual processor and reinforce that use of your visual processor by having the ecosystem come in and support your features.
If I look at the back half of the year, our strategy is absolutely intact. We will expand our customers and expand the models within the customers, and we will announce ecosystem partners that previously had not supported our solution. So in our case, I’m, I’m bullish for the back half of the year if the market comes back to normalize, I’m really bullish.
Operator
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Suji Desilva with ROTH Capital.
Suji Desilva
Hi Todd. So maybe this question’s a little hard, but Todd, do you have any idea how far out the unit crossover is for X7 just to get an idea of how that would ramp up or are there too many moving parts in that question to be able to answer that?
Todd DeBonis
Me meaning that we ship more to X7 than X5. Well today we’re shipping more X7 than X5.
Suji Desilva
But you already are.
Todd DeBonis
Yes. Now, you got to remember, I think collectively we shipped last year all processors, which we’re predominantly X5, X6, and in the ramp up of X7, between nine and 10 million units, something like this. We had customers telling, at the beginning of last year, telling us they were going to consume way more than that.
That was capacity limited. Okay. Of course coming into the back half of the year, some of those customers were not so bullish and they were — they overbought, we held them accountable for their aggressive purchases. So those are the customer, there’s some of those customers, one of them in particular that’s sitting on some, they’re burning through X5, right.
But as far as, and we still have some customers putting X5 in new programs, it’s not like it’s debt, it’s just because it’s at a different cost point than X7. And, but I would say on an ongoing basis, we’ve already crossed that point and there’s some people talking if as we expand the models within the customers, we’ve already announced they usually start at flagship premium with us.
And so there’s only so many flagship premium models. So that means to expand, sometimes you have to push down into mid-market to lower premium. And in those models they’re very price sensitive. Right. So you could see an uptick if we’re very successful there, you see an uptick in X5 volume. I don’t think it will cross back, but it could.
Suji Desilva
Okay. Sounds like a lot of X5s already shipped in and the customer’s going to absorb it. And is the pricing on X7 Todd still abruptly two X5? Is that, what do you think about it?
Todd DeBonis
I wouldn’t say quite 2X. I would say, I would say we’ve been aggressive, but it’s significantly higher it’s between, 50% and 80% higher than okay X5.
Suji Desilva
Great. And my last question’s on licensing, you talked about in the prepared marks licensing opportunity, you weren’t specific there. I’m wondering if that was reference to TrueCut or whether there other core video licensing opportunities or projector somehow. And if TrueCut, I’m sorry, go ahead.
Todd DeBonis
Go ahead. No, go ahead. Finish.
Suji Desilva
Sorry. Cut you off. If it’s okay if it’s true. Cut. If it’s the pipeline there is coming in with the, the movie success and so forth to formalize sort of revenue opportunity there. Yep.
Todd DeBonis
Okay. So, to make sure we clear that up for everybody on the call that was not a reference to TrueCut. Our business model is to it’s a service support and licensing model for the content creators so that they can use our technology to create 4K HDR high frame rate cinematic content. With that engagement, they have the rights to distribute that content for theatrical releases. So there’s no further licensing for theatrical releases beyond the initial engagement.
But they don’t have the right to distribute for home entertainment, that high frame rate content that they use TrueCut motion with. So the business model is the distributors, whether they be streaming companies, etcetera, have to support the TrueCut motion ecosystem and have the rights to distribute high frame rate, TrueCut motion, high frame rate content, and the device manufacturers would have to have the rights to display TrueCut motion content.
What I was referring there from the previous statement was it had nothing to do with TrueCut, but I wanted to take the opportunity to make sure everybody understood the business model with TrueCut. Because I think I’ve seen a lot of questioning on people where people don’t understand the business model.
Well, that’s the business model I just explained. I’ve asked all the analysts to not model revenue from TrueCut right now. Now we clearly are getting some revenue, I just don’t want to model it because until we really gain major support from a large distributors streaming companies you’re just looking at theatrical releases, which is not a big revenue.
If it gets to the point where it’s material, then I’ll have you guys start to model it. Once we have a signed on distributor, the device OEMs are very excited about adding TrueCut motion to their devices and using high frame rate content to illustrate their newest devices, whether they be TVs, phones, other visual devices, especially devices that can, that can show 3D content.
So I just didn’t, I just don’t want you guys to model it until we get a little bit further ahead with the distribution part of that ecosystem. Once that happens, we’re going to have to model it. We’ll have to talk about it a lot more.
But that said, what I was referring to in the prepared remarks was we have been approached by several companies now that, that it is clear to me this distributed architecture approach for mobile gaming in China is here to stay at least for the foreseeable future. And there are people working on silicon solutions to address that market.
And now they want they’ve engaged with us to see if we would support them with the licensing of our rendering accelerator radar architecture. We are not in the IP business, but if, depending on who it is, and if it supports our overall strategy to get more devices in the market, because the more devices in the market that support this, the more that the gaming ecosystem that enter the studios are willing to optimize their games to work with the hardware.
It’s a virtuous cycle. And so if we could license our technology to somebody that I, that there’s two things. One does it I don’t want to take the air out of our market momentum, but two, if it’s additive without taking the air of the market momentum, it may make a lot of sense for us, not just from a financial standpoint of the licensing, but putting more devices out there in the long term, the more devices we have out there.
That’s the number one thing we talked to with the content people. How many phones is your processor going to be on today, tomorrow, next year, the following year, et cetera. The bigger those numbers are, the, the more they want to support us.
Operator
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Richard Shannon with Craig-Hallum.
Richard Shannon
Hi Todd, Haley. Thanks for taking my questions and good morning to you Todd. Let’s see here. I want to make sure I heard some of your language here specifically on how to think about the second half of the year. I think you said the first quarter is the bottom of growing in the second quarter, and did I hear you correctly that you’re expecting year and year growth in the second half of the year? And is, and so does that mean each quarter or just collectively in the second half?
Todd DeBonis
So we expect for sure year over year growth for the mobile business. I’m still, projector. I think you’ll see a dip in q1, but it’ll come back in the back half. Does it come back to the point where it shows strong year over year growth? I think that’s yet to be seen.
And then, with video delivery, because we did this big end of life in the second half of this year, you won’t see year over year growth and video delivery. Okay. Now, if the mobile year over year growth is strong enough, you’ll see corporate year over year growth in the second half. Okay. So that comment wasn’t across the entire company, it’s across specific segments. I just want to be clear.
Yes, I think I made the growth comment specifically. I Hay Haley mentioned that we expect growth in the back half of the year, which is I think the mobile gonna be strong enough exiting the year that you’ll see corporate year-over-year growth.
Richard Shannon
Okay, that’s helpful. So how do we how do you think the distribution of mobile revenues as we get through the, into the second half of the year, how do, how do you think this progresses?
You’ve talked specifically and hopefully I collect your comments correctly about, sorry, I’m scrolling up on my notes. Expect to yield a series of top mobile games in the next tier supporting our rendering accelerator in next seven. How do we think is this, is this entirely driven by gaming and how broad are we expecting the uptake here by all the tier one targets you have in China?
Todd DeBonis
I would say it’s not entirely driven by gaming. So, one of the things right now that we’re doing is many, many of the models we win, some of the OEMs will go out and market that model globally, but they will have a different skew for China than they do internationally.
We are gaming, mobile gaming is, if you really go look at how these guys are marketing their premium and flagship phones, they’re trying to market the, the new utility that their new phones will give you and why you should spend money and upgrade your phone.
And in China, mobile gaming is either the key utilities that they’re trying to bring you, depending on the model and the demographic targeting or the second biggest feature they’re targeting, which the first would be camera and internationally. And then, consuming social and video content, which we also improve is further down on the list as far as what you utility they bring you.
What we’re trying to get these China mobile OEMs to do is take this expertise and differentiation that they’ve built into their China models, which is unique and market it internationally because that’s what differentiates them in many of these international markets because, who they butt up against in the international markets, and I’m talking about Android, they butt up against Samsung.
So this gives all of those four tier ones a significant differentiation advantage, and not just because of us, but because this is where mobile gaming content is king. And so if they have optimized content and our visual processor in their models, many of those studios that I just, that I’m mentioning, so with Genson impact, Tencent with many of their games, net East by Dance has multiple studios developing games. Many of those game manufacturers giving what’s going on here in China are putting a great deal of effort to market their gaming content internationally.
So we are trying to convince the mobile OEMs to start to do that. So that’s, that’s another, it’s not just getting into models, but then let’s convincing them to get into the international models. Now the reason, reason I bring all that up, Suji is you said, is that just mobile gaming?
One of the things that they, they, that they clearly recognize is the internationally the consumption of quality video content is higher on the rank than in China. And so they ask us to provide improvements for consuming video long form video content on their phone.
And one of the features we put in X7 we haven’t highlighted a lot, is we have a way to do a cinematic high frame rate conversion on the phone. This is not TrueCut motion. Okay. TrueCut motion converts the content and makes it high frame rate content at the source.
But what we do is have a feature to do cinematic high frame rate content conversion on the phone. And so we are pushing that and specifically to expand into more international models here in China. But yes, with all that said, the reason we’re really gaining momentum is mobile gaming, the ecosystem for mobile gaming, the performance of using our processor with that ecosystem in mobile gaming targeting the Chinese consumer.
Richard Shannon
Okay. So would it be fair to conclude from what you just said here that you think the biggest single factor and upside potential for your mobile business second happen going forward? Is international introduction of your X7 naval phones or is it some other single factor that you think is more important?
Todd DeBonis
Well, there’s, there’s two. There’s two. So if we gain a fourth tier one, that’s an uptick in market for us. So if you see us announce with the one tier one we haven’t announced yet, then that’s an uptick. Second, if we can expand all the customers from just targeting their, what they call their domestic models, their China specific models to expanding to their international model, you get to leverage the R&D work that’s already done on that model, and you just get higher, higher volume from the same r and d work.
And then three, we are talking with customers to expand to higher volume, lower priced models, the gaming functionality and features, their customers are pushing them and demanding it. We’ve had customers come to us and say, we get a great deal of feedback and they want to know why we don’t have the display processor technology on this particular model, which is usually a lower end model.
And so there are companies that are exploring whether they can put it on these, these higher volume models, but of course their first approach is to come in and want me to sell it for cost and our answer is no.
So those are the three ways, right? Expand the customers, one, expand the international models with the same target targets we’re doing two, and then expand the, the model line-up within the existing customers. Three.
Richard Shannon
Okay. And to that last point there, Todd would this, these lower price models, would you expect any of them be doing it with X7 or would that be mostly X5 or even older opportunity,
Todd DeBonis
Different discussions with different OEMs, they’re going to lean on the cost. They’re very cost driven. So I would, if I was a betting person, I would say that some of these higher volumes, they’re gonna try to go to the lowest cost technology we have.
But at the same time we make such, the actual visual improvement that you can see between X5 and X7 is palatable. It’s noticeable. And if you look at our roadmap, which we haven’t announced yet, but the, some of the tier one customers have seen it, going to see another fundamental leap forward by 2024 ASPs will go up, not because we’re just trying to extract more value, but to make these fundamental leaps in performance, we have to be more aggressive on how we do the technology, which twofold, one, we’re putting more transistors down, and two, we’re moving to lower process nodes, which are more expensive.
Richard Shannon
Fair enough. That’s great perspective, Todd. The last quick question for me I haven’t heard anything, any direct statement here about how you feel like the engagement with TrueCut is going with potential streaming partners here.
But I guess, and we’re not close enough to have any sort of big announcement, maybe you just characterize the, the progress in the last quarter any feedback you’ve gotten from Avatar two and potential other releases, and then how do we think about these other theatrical releases you’re looking for this year?
Todd DeBonis
So, we’ve had discussions with major distributors about high frame rate technology. We continue to have those discussions. They are bullish by the way, but they want to kick it off. They want more content.
Now they’re actually even helping us by making introductions to, to studios that they rely on for content. So they’re I would say that our streaming discussions are a positive thing, but to get it to the point where they’re ready to go out and really, so once they announce it, what do they have to do?
They have to market it and they have to go communicate to all their streaming customers the value proposition of TrueCut Motion. And so they want to be sure that when they go spend all that energy and money, that they got enough content to follow through with the value proposition.
So with that said anytime they extend help to us, we take it. We were already spending a lot of time trying to cultivate more theatrical content because more theatrical content becomes a pool of content for distribution to home entertainment and I would say that the release of Way of the Water put all of our technology put high frame rate 3D out in thousands of theaters globally with there’s some people that review it and don’t like it, but they’re minor. They’re very small group of people.
The grand majority of the people love the immersive effects that high frame rate 3D brought with that movie. They love the technology, they love the movie, which is a story and how it was delivered. And James Cameron did a great job, but they also love the technology used to help deliver that story.
And that clearly has helped us be credible in trying to expand the use of that technology and get more people to bring out high frame rate theatrical content. But that’s all a work in progress. So no announcements to be made. A lot of work to be done. Okay. Well as always, Todd, I appreciate all the detail. I am all done. Thank you. Thank you, Richard.
Operator
Thank you. I would now like to turn the call back over to management for any closing remarks.
Todd DeBonis
Well it was a longer call today than I expected. I’m here for another couple of weeks. It’s interesting times over here. And then we get to see how the rest of the year unfolds. But I would say in general, I am more positive today than I was two weeks ago when I arrived. So, but that said everybody enjoy the evening. Thank you.
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating and you may now disconnect.
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