Eagle Bancorp, Inc. (NASDAQ:EGBN) Q1 2022 Earnings Conference Call April 21, 2022 10:00 AM ET
Company Participants
Susan Riel – President and Chief Executive Officer
Charles Levingston – Chief Financial Officer
Jan Williams – Chief Credit Officer
Conference Call Participants
Casey Whitman – Piper Sandler
Catherine Mealor – Keefe Bruyette and Woods
Christopher Marinac – Janney Montgomery
Brody Preston – Stephens Inc.
Operator
And thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Eagle Bancorp Inc. First Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. [Indiscernible] Charles Levingston, Chief Financial Officer. Sir, please go ahead.
Charles Levingston
Thank you, Victor. Good morning. This is Charles Levingston, Chief Financial Officer of Eagle Bancorp. Before we begin the presentation, I would like to remind everyone that some of the comments made during this call may be considered forward-looking statements. While our loan growth and performance over this past quarter have been positive, we cannot make any promises about future performance, and it is our policy not to establish with the markets any formal guidance with respect to our earnings. None of the forward-looking statements made during this call should be interpreted as our providing formal guidance.
Our Form 10-K for the 2021 fiscal year and current reports on Form 8-K identify certain risk factors that could cause the company’s actual results to differ materially from those projected in any forward-looking statements made this morning. Eagle Bancorp does not undertake to update any forward-looking statements as a result of new information or future events or developments unless required by law. This morning’s commentary will include non-GAAP financial information.
The earnings release, which is posted in the Investor Relations section of our website and filed with the SEC contains reconciliations of this information to the most directly comparable GAAP information. Our periodic reports are available from Eagle online at our website or on the SEC’s website. This morning, Susan Riel, the President and CEO of Eagle Bancorp will start us off with a high-level overview. Then Jan Williams, our Chief Credit Officer, will discuss her thoughts on the local economy, loans, reserves, and credit quality matters. Then I’ll return to discuss our financials in more detail. At the end all three of us will be available to take questions. I would now like to turn it over to our President and CEO, Susan Riel.
Susan Riel
Thank you, Charles. Good morning and welcome to our first quarterly earnings call. I’m pleased to report the bank had another successful quarter building on our strong finish to 2021. First, a few highlights from the quarter. Earnings were $1.42 per diluted share, up $0.13 from the prior quarter. It was our 89th consecutive profitable quarter. Loans increased by $48.2 million from the prior quarter. This was the second consecutive quarterly increase at the same time, our credit quality metrics remained strong. Non-performing — performing loans were 33 basis points on loans at quarter end and net charge off with just three basis points or $459,000.
Exceptionally strong credit risk management has been a hallmark of Eagle since our founding, and it will continue to be a focus of ours going forward. Our favorable credit quality metrics along with the continued recovery and reopening of the economy, led us to a reversal of $2.8 million from the allowance for credit losses on loans. This was our fifth consecutive quarterly reversal. Now, let’s take a closer look at earnings. For the quarter, earnings were $45.7 million up $4.1 million from the prior quarter. Returns for the quarter were 1.46% on average assets and 14.99% on average tangible common equity.
The primary drivers the earnings increase from the prior quarter was a decrease in salaries and employee benefits. Specifically, the $5 million accrual reduction related to the share-based compensation awards and deferred compensation to our former CEO and Chairman during the quarter, we also transferred $1.1 billion of the available for sale securities portfolio to held to maturity. At quarter-end $1.2 billion or about 39% of our securities portfolio was held to maturity.
Charles will speak more about this transfer and putting more of our excess liquidity to work. Next, let’s talk about loans. This quarter’s loan growth was driven by our CRE and CNI lending teams. Given the opportunity to have more face-to-face interaction with our customers and our prospects. These calling efforts which increased in the middle of last year, produced the loans that were booked in the first quarter. We believe that this team effort provides us with good momentum as we move through the year.
Within our CRE and CNI portfolios, we successfully completed construction projects that migrated to income producing CRE and owner-occupied loans. This migration reduced loans categorized as Construction loans, with the decline partially offset by new and previously committed Construction loans, drawing down their funding over the course of the quarter. This migration of Construction loans to income producing CRE loans allows us to retain the loan, the interest income, and expand our lending relationships.
Even with the successful completion of construction projects, our pipeline remained strong and unfunded commitments were up slightly to $2.1 billion at quarter-end. As more opportunities arise, our total risk-based capital of 15.72% gives us ample room to continue to grow the loan portfolio. In regard to our residential lending division, volume was down as higher rates reduce consumer incentives to refinance. As a result, both gain on sale of mortgage loans and origination of mortgage loans were down in the first quarter.
Jan will give more details on our credit quality metrics shortly. On legal matters, there have been no material developments relating to our ongoing government investigations. Although we are hopeful these matters will be resolved in the near future. And for our shareholders, we remain focused on increasing value and returning cash through dividends. At the end of the quarter, our board declared a dividend of $0.40 per share, which is a payout ratio of 28% based on first-quarter earnings, and equates to annualized dividend yield of 2.8% based on last night’s closing stock price of $56.19 per share. With that, I would like to turn the speaking duties over to Jan Williams, our Chief Credit Officer.
Jan Williams
Thank you, Susan, and good morning, everyone. Our Washington, DC market continues to improve along many fronts. [Indiscernible] from the government, government contractors, and consumers remains strong. Construction projects are being completed and new projects are moving forward. Residential, housing demand continues to exceed supply. Amazon continues to expand its presence in both leasing and in hiring in our market area. In March, mask mandates were dropped for most businesses and schools in the area.
And we’re seeing more businesses in DC return to work and they off which has a positive ripple down effect for downtown businesses. Not surprisingly, unemployment in the Washington metropolitan statistical area remained low at 3.5% in February. With that background, our credit quality metrics continue to improve. Improved. Our ACL to loans at quarter-end was 1.01% down from 1.06% last quarter. Non-performing loans, as Susan mentioned, were 33 basis points of loan.
Total non-performing loans were $23.8 million of which about 56% were CRE, and 32% were commercial and industrial loans. The remaining NPLs were smaller, PPP, SBA, and residential loans. Charge-offs in the first quarter were just four loans with the gross charge-offs of $514,000 partially offset by $55,000 into recoveries, bringing us to net charge-offs of $459,000 for the quarter or three basis points on an annualized basis, 30 to 89 day past are also at very low levels.
In terms of risk classifications during the quarter the past portion of the portfolio increased while special mention and classified credits were flat or down. Even with our lower ACL to loans, our coverage ratio on non-performing loans is 301% up from 257% in the prior quarter. OREO remained unchanged with the same three properties and a carrying value of $1.6 million. With regards to the reversal of $2.8 million from the allowance for credit losses, factors contributing to the reversal were improvements in the economic environment and related adjustments to the quantitative components of deceitful model.
In particular, the lower modeled probability of default as well as improvements in asset quality. And we considered a number of qualitative and environmental factors, including among other things, the remaining potential risk to the hospitality and restaurant industries, as well as the potential risk in the office portfolio given potentially softer demand for office space in a post-pandemic world. With that, I’d like to turn it over to Charles Levingston, our Chief Financial Officer.
Charles Levingston
Thank you, Jan., As you may have noticed, we have made some improvements to the earnings release format. On page 1, our bullets are more dynamic, focusing on items of interest for the quarter. Right below that, we have a table of selected highlights that shows trends from the prior quarter, and the year-ago quarter. And in the Texan tables, we focus more on changes from the prior quarter. We hope this helps you with your analysis and understanding.
Turning back to the numbers for the quarter, net income was $45.7 million, which is up 4.1 million or 9.9% from the prior quarter and assets were 11.2 billion down 634 million or 5.4%. In regard to earnings, the primary differences to the quarter — to the prior quarter were, net interest income increased by $2.3 million. The increase in net interest income from the prior quarter was driven by the develop — the deployment of excess liquidity into investment securities.
As rates have increased, it has become more attractive to put more of our excess liquidity to work. The additional interest income securities were partially offset by lower interest on fees on loans. While loan balances were up for the quarter, higher-yielding loans continue to be replaced by lower yielding loans. Additionally, the impact of rising rates which ramped up throughout the quarter has not yet fully impacted outstanding adjustable rate loans.
A good portion of which are still at the rate floors. And new loans, particularly those funded later in the quarter, have yet to have much impact. non-interest income was down $3.1 million for the prior quarter. Our FHA group had a good year-end 2021, but FHA multi-family income, which can be inconsistent quarter-to-quarter and revenue for that business was down to start the year. The impact of a higher rate environment also reduced gain on sale from investment securities and residential mortgage activity was also reduced. Lock commitments for residential mortgage loans were a $137 million down from a $163 million in the prior quarter.
Non-interest expense was down $8.3 million from the prior quarter. Legal accounting and professional fees were down $1.4 million. And as Susan mentioned, the largest change to non-interest expense was a one-time reduction in salaries and employee benefits. Absent the $5 million accrual reduction, salaries and employee benefits were down $2.6 million primarily on lower incentive bonus accruals offset by increases in share-based compensation and payroll taxes.
The $5 million accrual reduction also positively impacted the efficiency ratio bringing it down to 35.3% for the first quarter 2022, compared to 44.3% for the prior quarter and it lowered the effective tax rate to 23.4% compared to 26.3% from the — for the prior quarter. The reduction in the effective tax rate from the prior quarter was because the one-time adjustment was not tax deductible when recorded. Conversely, there was no negative tax impact when reversed. On the balance sheet, assets declined by $634 million. We had a small decline in deposits of $395 million at quarter-end and paid off $150 million FHLB advance during the quarter.
These reductions of liabilities along with an increase in securities of $306 million reduced some of our excess liquidity. The biggest movement on the balance sheet though was that we transferred $1.1 billion of securities from available for sale to held to maturity. There’s no impact of this transfer on the income statement. The unrealized loss associated with the held to maturity portfolio will amortize off with the life of those securities.
In regard to the transfer of securities that are held to maturity, the impact of rising rates during the quarter created unrealized losses in the available for sales securities portfolio, which negatively impacted equity on the balance sheet. These unrealized losses reduced equity as well as both book value and tangible book value. During the quarter, we evaluated our securities portfolios and determined that certain securities will be maintained for the life of the instrument and made a decision to change the accounting designation to held-to-maturity.
The securities transferred were generally municipal bonds, corporate bonds, bonds that we buy for CRA credit and longer final maturity mortgage-backed securities. Having these securities designated as held-to-maturity will mitigate some of the impact of future changes and interest rates on equity, book, and tangible book values. With regards to interest rate sensitivity, we believe our asset-sensitive balance sheet remains well-positioned to take advantage of higher interest rates in the future.
For net interest margin, we were up 10 basis points to 265 on a linked-quarter basis. The reduction of excess liquidity and the deployment of cash into security had a positive impact. Looking at our cost of funds, it was changed — it was unchanged at 26 basis points. While not much changed during the quarter, toward the end of March we raised rates on most interest-bearing demand deposit accounts by five basis points and FHLB advances of $150 million were repaid.
Another measure impacting funding costs is average non-interest-bearing deposits to average deposits. The bank has historically done well averaging 36.1% in this quarter down slightly from 36.3% the prior quarter. Overall, in terms of rate sensitivity, we are asset-sensitive and should benefit from rising rates as loans come off the floor and reprice. And a large percentage of our deposits are non-interest bearing. With that, I’ll hand it back to Susan for a short wrap up.
Susan Riel
Thanks, Charles, as we wrap up our commentary, I would like to thank all of our employees for all their hard work and it’s been really great to see people in person on a regular basis. All of us here at Eagle are encouraged to continue the momentum we had closing out 2021. We feel good about our company, our balance sheet, and our ability to provide our clients with the superior level of service in the highly competitive, strong, and dynamic market. And as always, we remain committed to a culture of respect, diversity, and inclusion in both the workplace and the communities we serve. With that we will now open things up for questions.
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
As a reminder, [Operator Instruction]. Please stand by we compile the Q&A roster. The first question will come from the line of Casey Whitman from Piper Sandler. Your line is open.
Casey Whitman
Hey, good morning
Susan Riel
Hi, Casey.
Casey Whitman
Hi. Nice quarter. Just starting out, just saw you already started increasing your deposit rates. Just kind of curious, are you a first mover there? Or are you seeing competitors and your market start to move as well? And then sort tagging onto that Charles, you mentioned your asset sensitivity. Just remind us sort of kind of deposit data we should assume for you guys, as you get rate hikes.
Charles Levingston
Yeah, sure thing. I think we’re seeing the prudent movement of rates, and that’s the approach that we’re taking. I think the rates that we had for time deposits previously were not really compelling too many people to move into time deposits and with the feds ‘ first move, again, we wanted to be prudent about starting to layer in some time deposits as we’re now facing forecasts of seven to eight according to the future risk markets, 25 basis points move by the feds before the end of the year.
So, to the extent that we can capture some of those time deposits and just again compel some folks to lock in some of those rates, I think that’s useful for us. In terms of asset sensitivity, we’re looking just to provide some context at — up 100 basis points resulting in net interest income of an additional 1.9% up 200 basis points at 6.2% as we blow through to some of the floors. Deposit Betas on that front on net, we’re modeling about a 50 deposit Beta. There is — there’s been some spirited discussion with regard to whether or not that’s been — that may be even a little conservative. And we can count on lower, but the pace at which rates are moving up, I think we feel pretty comfortable with that as a measure at this point.
Casey Whitman
And what duration are we looking at for that held-to-maturity book now for the security?
Charles Levingston
I’ve got the duration on the overall portfolio is right at 5. — let me just make sure I got this right, right at 5.6 years is the total duration. The AFS duration is right at 4.8 years.
Casey Whitman
Got it. I will just turn it over to one of the things. Your efficiency ratio is best-in-class, just trying to get my arms around some of the quarterly expense moves you guys have. Is this first-quarter level of core expenses, which I’ll call around $36 million, a pretty good starting point, just as I look in particular the salaries and benefits line? And then I appreciate there’s no material upturn on legal expenses, but is that — is this a good run rate I guess just for that line item or could we see some more volatility there in those expenses in particular?
Charles Levingston
So, as you know that the line item includes more than just legal fees, but it is accurate that the legal fees associated with our really is value related investigations and litigation matters have declined. The litigation matters have been settled, and the fact finding and document production phase of the government investigations, we believe are complete at this point. So, our outside counsel spends going forward should relate to the costs associated with resolving those matters, as well as any indefinable costs associated with our current and former officers once our D&O insurance has been fully exhausted.
The policy has some remaining limit still, but as we have disclosed in the past, it is nearing exhaustion. And it’s really impossible to predict the exact timing of when the investigations will be wrapped up, when the policy will be exhausted, or the actual amount of outside counsel costs as we don’t control or have complete transparency to those indemnified will cost. But we continue to remain hopeful that the investigations will be resolved in the near future, and we will have a more reasonable legal costs, legal expenditure going forward after that.
Casey Whitman
Okay. And on the salaries line, is this a pretty good starting point at around 22 million?
Charles Levingston
Yeah, it is. I think — we — again you got exclude the reversal, which I think we’re all comfortable with, are the reduction of that accrual. But last year was a very strong year. So, the incentive bonus accruals were weighed heavy and that number where we’re kind of just getting started here and as we get a better feel for this year, that annual incentive accrual will come more into focus. But for now, I think we’re in an okay place there.
Casey Whitman
Okay so holding the efficiency ratio in the low 40, so is a reasonable place to be?
Charles Levingston
Yes.
Casey Whitman
Okay. All right. Nice quarter, thanks for the call.
Charles Levingston
Thanks Casey.
Operator
Next question comes from the line of Catherine Mealor from KBW. Your line is open.
Catherine Mealor
Thanks. Good morning.
Susan Riel
Morning.
Charles Levingston
Good morning, Catherine.
Catherine Mealor
Maybe one more thing on the margin, as we think about excess liquidity, how quickly you feel like we’ll be able to deploy this and we saw a big move this quarter, maybe just kind of walk us through how you’re thinking about that and maybe how deposit growth outlook plays into that assumption. Thanks.
Charles Levingston
Sure. I think the deployment of that excess liquidity into the investment portfolio will continue at somewhere around this clip of the first quarter, all things being equal, obviously. We’re seeing better opportunities in the investment portfolio for higher yielding instruments these days. So certainly, more encouraged by that. And looking to deploy the cash since rolling off that securities portfolio back into the best and highest use, which we hope is loans. But in the absence of that, there’s some again some pretty healthy yields as it relates to the investment portfolio.
And I’m sorry, this — the deposit gathering I think was the second part of your question. We’re continuing to look to incent depositors and maintain depositors here at the bank. In terms of growth, it’s difficult to tell. As rates rise and again, with the forecast of rates and rate moves, I think the futures market had 90% probability of 50 basis point move in early May with the FOMC. There are going to be more opportunities for depositors to place their funds into higher yielding instruments. So, we want to make sure that we’re playing appropriate defense on that front. Hopefully that gives you a little bit of color in terms of our thinking.
Casey Whitman
Yes. That helps. And maybe on the securities, so you’re now at about 23% of average earning assets. Is there a limit in terms of the percentage of the balance sheet that you would want to take that to?
Charles Levingston
I don’t have a specific limit, Catherine, I think it really is looking at what’s the best opportunity for return between the securities and the loans. So, I’m happy to keep climbing if that is where the money is doing us and the shareholders the best good.
Catherine Mealor
Okay, got it. And then maybe one last on the margin. Just think about loan yields. I know this is an impossible question, but just kind of thinking about the puts and takes. So, your loan yields declined this quarter and now you’re at 437. So, you’ve got downward pricing still on new production, but obviously look at the impact of higher rate that will be a tailwind. So, do you think we’ve hit the bottom in loan yields, or do you think we still have a little bit of decline before we start to get the lift from higher rates? And how do you think about that — those two dynamics?
Charles Levingston
Yes. So, I think the tension really becomes between the excess liquidity, both on our balance sheet and in the marketplace, and the rising rates. I do think that the rising rate impact will or the impact of rising rates will positively impact our bond yields in terms of new loan pricing, though that’s where I think credit spreads are still being somewhat held it bay, if you will. As a result of the lot of the excess liquidity in the marketplace. So again, as rates rise, should there be bored, disintermediation in the marketplace as it relates to deposits and liquidity comes in a little bit. I think those credit spreads get out. That’s kind of my crystal ball view. But your guess is as good as mine. I think you’re right, it’s kind of possible protested to forecast that, but I do think that there is a positive — we’ll have the wind at our backs in terms of an increase rate environment.
Catherine Mealor
And remind us what percentage of the loan book is floating?
Charles Levingston
57%.
Catherine Mealor
Okay. Which is great. Okay, great. Thanks for answering all my questions. Appreciate it.
Charles Levingston
Sure.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Christopher Marinac from Janney Montgomery. You may begin
Christopher Marinac
Thanks. Good morning. Just wanted to get into loan yields and how they may have changed as March finished and kind of how you see that playing out this quarter, that even before the Fed makes our next move.
Charles Levingston
Yeah. Sure. Again, as Catherine was discussing that the loan yields have certainly come in with it in terms of what kind of loans are rolling off and the yields of loans rolling off versus yields of loans coming on. I would say we’re right around new origination somewhere in the neighborhood of around 4% yield at this point.
Susan Riel
I agree with that, but I think a lot of what you’re seeing in terms of funding now are loans that were approved, say 60, 90 days ago. So, the impact of rising rates hasn’t fully been incorporated. Things that we’re looking at today in terms of due loan approvals might be more advantageous rates to the bank reflecting the change in interest rates in the market. There is just a natural time delay between approving loans and having them booked and fund that I think shows up in a lag and changes in rates.
Charles Levingston
It’s worth noting, Jan and I were talking about this just before the COVID, the majority of the loans that we’re booking, we’re still seeing a number of variable rate loans that we’re putting on. So those are still well-positioned to support that the loan yields going forward as rates rise.
Christopher Marinac
Great, that’s helpful. Thank you both for that. And then Jan, just a quick one about net charge-offs. Do you see anything on the horizon where charge-offs change materially from here? I mean, I know we all expect some reversion over time, but just curious in the next couple of quarters, if anything changes at all.
Jan Williams
Well, if you’re one of those folks that subscribe to the beliefs that 30 to 80, 89-day past dues are an indicator, they are as low as I’ve seen them in several years. So, I’m pretty comfortable with where we are, which isn’t to say something couldn’t come out of the blue and shock me, but I think for right now, I’m cautiously optimistic that charge-offs will not become out of control.
Christopher Marinac
Great, Jan. Good point. Thank you again.
Charles Levingston
Thanks, Chris.
Operator
Our next question will come from the line of Brody Preston from Stephens. You may begin.
Brody Preston
Good morning, everyone.
Charles Levingston
Hey, good morning, Brody.
Brody Preston
Hey, Charles. I think you said it earlier on and I saw in the press release last night that five basis points, is that you’ve raised it an average of five basis points or is that at least five basis points on most interest-bearing products? Just because the CDs, obviously, I think I’ve seen anywhere from like a 20 to a 100 basis points increase in CV rates from you all depending on the maturity profile?
Charles Levingston
Right the five basis points was really on money market savings accounts, where the CDs are concerned. Again, we’re coming off lows where we worked really waving CDs and we’ve — those rates that we had previously were not compelling anybody to take us up on those CDs offers. So hence, you’re going to have a pretty significant move when you’re coming back into the market. And I think that the way that we’ve come back in, again, we’re looking to put the layer in and ladder in time deposits as we see rates continuing to rise and again, the future market expectations of rate increases. So that’s why it looks so dramatic in terms of a large rate increase on the CD front.
Brody Preston
Got it. Okay. Thank you for that clarification. And then just on the FHLB borrowing repayment that ties into the liquidity question. So, you guys have put a lot of excess liquidity to work and obviously on a period end basis, there can be volatility in the deposit basis given the chunkiness of it. But I mean, how should we be thinking about just average deposit trends are still pretty solid. So how should we be thinking about the remainder of the FHLB advances? What’s the duration on those or could we see a similar kind of prepayment going forward?
Charles Levingston
Yeah. I think there’s $150 million left and that was a callable 10-year. And the call option is that the option of the FHLB? I expect that if we don’t go ahead and extinguished that one in short order, that it gets called away. But again, that will leave us with the availability of call $1.2 billion or so in FHLB, advances should, — should the need arise.
Brody Preston
Got it. Okay. Thank you for that. And then Jan, I heard you loud and clear on the credit quality. I just want to circle back to the office portfolio. The trends that we’re seeing, at least from a high level based on the data that we have access to shows that DC is still lagging like a lot of the rest of the country is in terms of return to office. Are you seeing that holistically amongst your borrowers? Are you seeing your borrowers have more of their employees return to the office at this point?
Jan Williams
I think we’re really seeing a mixed bag. The return to office, I would say, at this point seems to be predominantly the hybrid model which happens to be like Eagle Bank is using where you have some flax to work from home a certain amount of time in the week. But we are seeing more and more people move towards full time in the office and really even back to the office at all. I think that’s going to be good for other businesses that operate downtown, for example, Central Business District restaurants that cater to lunch business have certainly been doing poorly over the last couple of years.
But I think overall, we haven’t had weakness in the portfolio. In the office segment, we are watching it carefully and I think probably the highest level of concern would be for Class B properties in the Central Business District. We’re paying very close attention to those. I think what’s a little bit different for us is that there are a number of longer-term leases that are in the market, government leases. Look at the new FCC facility that apparently is being recontemplated at this point and location hasn’t been determined yet. But that’s a million square feet of office.
There’s a lot of activity to fill office, but we’re still cautious on it. We’ve put an overlay into our reserve to reflect the qualitative aspect of central business district, downtown, office buildings as we wait to see what happens. Honestly, I think it’s going to be a question of whether the productivity in office is better, worse, or the same as remote working and businesses will make that judgment as they go forward. The labor market is so tight right now that I think it’s probably more difficult to have a mandatory return to office, but that could shift in six months. So, it’s really tough to project. All we can do is hedge against the risk that we see.
Brody Preston
Yeah, understood. Thank you for that. I guess I — this is my last one. I would ask you, just given the experience — the extensive experience you guys have with real estate, what is the typical outcome or what would you expect maybe for some of those office buildings that maybe have stronger sponsors, but aren’t desirable in terms of office going forward from a lease up perspective, is it repurposing of those properties? And what’s the most kind of logical repurpose that you see, is it going from office to apartment over time? Is somebody thinking about a longer-term ramification at this juncture?
Susan Riel
I think it depends on the building, to be honest with you, and what the costs are of retrofitting to a multi-family property. I think DC is very anxious to assist in converting office to residential. We still have a shortage of housing in the DC metro area. So, there are, I would say at this point, a mattering of conversions in process, there maybe more. But I suspect that right now, most folks are still getting paid on leases that are in place even if they’re not being full-time occupied. So, this will play out over time. I do think the most likely is conversion to multi-family with maybe a little retail space on the first floor.
Brody Preston
Got it. Thank you for that. Thank you for taking on my questions. I appreciate it.
Operator
Thank you. And I’m not showing any further questions in queue at this moment. Like to turn the call back over to our President and CEO, Susan Riel for any closing remarks.
Susan Riel
We thank you and appreciate your questions and you taking the time to join us on the call. We very much look forward to speaking again in a few months.
Operator
This concludes today’s conference call. I thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
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