Bel Fuse Inc. (NASDAQ:BELFB) Q3 2022 Earnings Conference Call October 27, 2022 8:30 AM ET
Company Participants
Steven Hooser – Three Part Advisors
Dan Bernstein – President and Chief Executive Officer
Farouq Tuweiq – Chief Financial Officer
Lynn Hutkin – Director, Financial Reporting
Conference Call Participants
Theodore O’Neill – Litchfield Hills Research
Jim Ricchiuti – Needham & Co
Hendi Susanto – Gabelli Funds
Robert Brooks – Brick by Brick Capital
Operator
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Bel Fuse Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. All Participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded.
I’d now like to turn the conference over to Steven Hooser with the Three Part Advisors. Please proceed sir.
Steven Hooser
Thank you, Claudia, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our third quarter 2022 earnings call. Before we begin, I’d like to remind everyone that this conference call contains certain forward-looking statements regarding the company’s expected operating and financial performance for future periods. These statements are based on the Company’s current expectations. Actual results for future periods may differ materially from those expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements due to a number of risks and other factors.
Additional information about factors that could potentially impact our financial results is included in yesterday’s press release and as discussed on our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our most recent annual report on Form 10-K and our subsequent quarterly reports and other filings with the SEC from time to time.
We may also discuss non-GAAP results during this call and reconciliation of our GAAP results to non-GAAP results that have been included in our press release. Our press release and our SEC filings are available on the IR section of our website.
Now joining me on the call today is Dan Bernstein, President and CEO; Farouq Tuweiq, Chief Financial Officer; and Lynn Hutkin, Director of Financial Reporting.
With that, I’ll now turn the call over to Dan. Dan?
Dan Bernstein
Thank you, Steve, and thank you all for joining us on the call today. I am once again pleased to report a new record-breaking quarter for Bel. Revenue, adjusted EBITDA and backlog were all the highest in our seven year history. From an adjusted EBITDA margin perspective, you would need to look back to the mid-2000 to see this level.
These strong results were led by the collective efforts of our global team, as we work together in growing and enhancing the quality of our top line, increase profit margins and simplify the way we do business. Across all three of our product groups, we continue to achieve certain target margins that are specific to each SKU, including addressing negative or low margins.
We are not done yet and it’s still a material part of our revenue that still is being resized given certain agreements. Aside from pricing, we continue to see robust demand from many of our end-markets. Sales into our commercial aerospace customers were $9 million for the quarter, an increase of 140% over last year’s third quarter.
As demand continues to ramp up for both new aircraft production and aftermarket requirements, the premise wiring market hit a three year high, which contributed to $3 million or 36% increase in sales of our passive kinetic products over Q3 2021.
EV end-market sales continue to be strong, up $2.4 million or 60% from last year’s third quarter. In addition, revenue generated from our distribution partners across all of Bel Group grew $9.3 million or 19% over the same period last year. This growth coming from a number of end-markets and products is a testament to the diversity and resiliency of our business that has been built over the years.
Lastly, and similar to last quarter, we had $9.5 million of raw material surcharges including the third quarter sales, which was passed along to our customers. Certain of our customers have been shortening their length of their purchase commitments with us, resulting in reduction in backlog revenues, particularly within the magnetic group.
The reduction that we are starting to see is expected and will continue as long as there’s a labor shortage. I am once again very proud of our team and the continued effort that resulted in another record-breaking quarter for Bel. I look forward to closing our 2022 with the same level of momentum.
Before turning the call over to Lynn, I’d like to take a moment to acknowledge three very long-tenured partners of mine with Bel. As previously announced, Ray Cheung – Raymond Cheung, our VP of Operations in Asia and Mr. Tso, Bel’s Operation Director of Manufacturing site in Zhongshan, China will both be retiring January 1st.
On the corporate tax side, Tso will also be stepping down from his consultancy and advisory role next month. Raymond joined Bel in 1991 and has been Vice President of Asia Operations since 2007. Under Raymond’s leadership, our Bel Asia business has successfully grown and grown to be one of the most stable and reliable companies in electronic industry.
Raymond has been instrumental in building long-term customer relationships and also establishing solid alliances with Bel partners across many Asian countries. We are honored to call Raymond a colleague and just as probably our good friend for the past 31 years.
Mr. Tso, one of Bel’s longest tenured associates for over 50 years. We have benefited from his dependability and reliability as a manager over thousands of our associates in China and sometimes, under the most challenging circumstances.
As a former Board member, Tso has been a trusted of ours and a confidant for the past 50 years, first, with my father and then with me. He has been with us with countless acquisitions, change in tax regulations and he has been instrumental in setting up the global tax structure that Bel has today. There are not enough words to express our thanks to Raymond Cheung and Tso for their service and friendship over this many years, and we wish them and their families the very best in their future endeavors.
I’d like now to turn the call over to Lynn to provide further financial update. Lynn?
Lynn Hutkin
Thank you, Dan. As Dan mentioned, Q3 was very strong with year-over-year growth seen across each of our product groups. Overall, third quarter sales were $178 million, an increase of 21% from the third quarter of 2021. Gross margin for the quarter increased to 29%, as compared to 24.5% a year prior. By product group, Power Solutions and Protection sales were $76.4 million, up 27% from last year’s third quarter.
In addition to Dan’s commentary on EV sales and raw material surcharge invoicing, the Power group also benefited from strong sales in our CUI business, which posted an increase of $3 million or 18% from Q3 2021.
Gross margin for this group was 32.4% for the third quarter, a 630 basis point improvement from Q3 2021, largely driven by a favorable shift in product mix, the benefits of pricing actions taken over the past year and some favorable impacts from FX. Our Power Solutions and Protection group had a book-to-bill ratio of 1.2 during the third quarter of 2022 and a backlog of orders of $356 million, an increase of 48% from the 2021 year end.
Turning to our Connectivity Solutions group, sales were $50.3 million, an increase of 25% from last year’s third quarter, mostly due to the continued rebound of commercial aerospace and premise wiring end-markets. Military sales continued to be challenged this past quarter, resulting in a 10% year-over-year decrease in the defense end-market.
Gross margin for this group came in at 26.1% for the third quarter of 2022, up from 24.8% in the third quarter of 2021. While we’ve seen improvement in margins for this group over last year’s third quarter, it remains below our target expectations. As such, we believe there is still much improvement to go on margins here and we’ll be hearing about such activities over the coming months.
Throughout the majority of 2022, this group had been impacted by inefficiencies related to a ramp-up in workforce needed to accommodate the rebound in commercial air. These inefficiencies will be reduced over time. The Connectivity Solutions group had a book-to-bill ratio of 1.3 during the third quarter of 2022 and a backlog of orders of $116 million at September 30th, an increase of 37% from December 31.
Lastly, our Magnetic Solutions group had Q3 sales of $51.1 million, up 10% from last year’s third quarter. Gross margin for this group improved significantly to 30.4% in the third quarter of 2022 from 23.1% a year prior. Margins for this group benefited from the higher sales volume and also a favorable shift in exchange rates of Chinese renminbi versus the U.S. dollar, which lowered our labor cost in China versus 2021. This favorable effect of FX was really felt in September.
Our Magnetic Solutions group had a book-to-bill ratio of 0.4 during the third quarter of 2022 and finished the quarter with $111 million worth of orders, down 22% from the 2021 year-end level. This group is seeing most of the supply chain management on orders from our data customers.
At the consolidated level, there were $34 million of orders that were scheduled to ship in Q3, which did not primarily due to component availability. This is a similar level to what we’ve seen in prior quarters, and we anticipate this waterfall effect will continue in the near term.
Our selling, general and administrative expenses were $22.2 million or 12.5% of sales, up from $21.2 million in the third quarter last year, but down as a percentage of total sales. Within SG&A, the primary increases were related to salaries, fringe benefits and rep commissions.
Turning to balance sheet and cash flow items, we ended the quarter with a cash balance of $70.9 million, an increase of $9.1 million from December 31. Our working capital increased by $23.3 million from the 2021 year end. We saw an $18.2 million increase in our accounts receivable balance. Our DSO were 53 days at December – I am sorry, at September 30, 2022, compared to 54 days at December 31, 2021.
Inventories increased by $33.9 million from year end. While there was continued investment of cash and working capital during the third quarter, it was to a lesser extent compared to each of the first two quarters of 2022.
In addition to changes in working capital, other items impacting cash flows for the first nine months of 2022 included capital expenditures of $5.6 million and our continued dividend program where we made payments of $2.5 million. Cash paid during the first nine months of 2022 for income taxes was $7.5 million and interest payments totaled $2.1 million.
I’ll now turn the call over to Farouq for additional color, outlook and expectations. Farouq?
Farouq Tuweiq
Yes. Thanks, Lynn. As we’ve noted in the past, Bel is on a journey to better serve our stakeholders by streamlining the way we do business, optimizing our operational footprint and improving profit margins. When I joined Bel 18 months ago, there was work to be done and while we can certainly celebrate our successes to-date, our third quarter results reflect just another step in this journey.
Phase one of the journey was better alignment to our customers’ use and proper margin strategy and as Dan mentioned, we’re not done yet and more progress to be made.
Phase two is operationally focused to ensure we are better positioned for the exciting road ahead of us. From an operation standpoint, we continue to see better ways to optimize our business.
As noted in yesterday’s earnings release, we recently launched a series of initiatives to simplify our operational footprint in a project expected to be completed by mid-2023 we will initially be consolidating two of our magnetic sites in Zhongshan and Hangzhou, China spread across nine manufacturing buildings in total and bringing them together into a single centralized site in the Bingying County of Southwestern China.
Restructuring costs of $10 million are expected related to the China initiatives. Of this amount, $3.6 million was recognized in the third quarter and we expect the balance to be recognized ratably through the third quarter of 2023. Incremental CapEx spend of approximately $3 million is expected over the next 12 months.
We expect to realize annualized cost savings of approximately $3 million on the China initiative beginning in the fourth quarter of 2023. As we set out on this project, we examined our options outside of China and concluded that a consolidation in Southwestern China was the most logical choice driven by labor availability and predictability, wages, raw material availability, the location of the segment, customers and manufacturing partners, our long-tenured engineering talent desires, our operational complexity of such move internationally in the midst of a zero COVID lockdown policy, to name a few.
Further, the new site location is desirable given its geographic proximity to our existing manufacturing partner in Vietnam. When this project is complete, we will have slimmed down our magnetics’ operations into two locations and two main buildings.
On the connectivity side of the house, a number of actions are now underway in both the U.S. and in Europe. In the U.S., our Tempe, Arizona and Melbourne, Florida sites will transition their manufacturing operations into our existing site in Waseca, Minnesota. Our Arizona facility will ultimately close and Florida will continue to focus on the high-tech engineering work they do.
These U.S. actions are expected to result in restructuring cost of $600,000 primarily over the next two quarters, with incremental CapEx spend of $350,000. We expect to realize annualized cost savings of approximately $1.1 million on the U.S. initiatives beginning in the second quarter of 2023.
In Europe, we plan to exit our facility in Sudbury, U.K. and consolidate those operations into our existing site in Chelmsford, U.K. These U.K. actions are expected to result in restructuring costs of approximately $250,000 spread over the next two quarters, with incremental CapEx spend of $1 million. We expect to realize annualized cost savings of approximately $650,000 on this U.K. initiative beginning in the third quarter of 2023.
Separately, as previously announced, we closed on the sale of one of our corporate buildings in Jersey City, New Jersey resulting in a $1.6 million gain being recognized in the third quarter. These initiatives are a continuation of our operational work that gets us excited for the years ahead as a healthier company.
As we look ahead to the fourth quarter, we expect top line growth in the high-single-digit versus Q4 2021, with gross margin expansion from last year’s fourth quarter to be more in line with margin levels from the third quarter 2022, the one we just had. We expect to see more favorable effects in this quarter as well.
On the backlog side, we know not all backlogs create equal and the shift that we’re seeing is a decline in lower margin products in exchange for a pickup in higher margin, longer cycle end markets. We believe this favorable shift in product mix will position us well for 2023 and beyond.
Overall, we are very happy with our results this quarter and the momentum for positive change that continues to drive our global team. While we’ve shared some of our recent initiatives with you today, there is still additional work to be done as we continue on our journey.
And with that, I’ll turn the call back over to Dan.
Dan Bernstein
Thank you, Farouq. If possible, can we open up the call for questions now?
Question-And-Answer Session
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Theodore O’Neill from Litchfield Hills Research. Please proceed with your question, Theodore.
Theodore O’Neill
Thank you very much. Congratulations on a great quarter.
Dan Bernstein
Thank you.
Theodore O’Neill
Yeah. So, the question on the consolidation of operations, can you give us an idea of like why now is the right time for that to happen and it hasn’t happened until now and is there some event that occurred?
Dan Bernstein
No, no. I think we have done a substantial consolidation over the past years, just as the same strategy going forward and looking at everything with a fine comb.
Farouq Tuweiq
I think, just to add to that, for this one specifically in magnetics, it’s been on the docket for some time, but obviously, it’s been a little bit of a rough last, call it, three plus years. And as we assess where we are, we have to balance the need of getting – going on this with obviously some of the world’s zero lockdown COVID policy in China today. So, we ultimately took a little bit longer to get going in alignment and so on, but this wasn’t time and we’re excited about it, and we’re ready to go.
So we feel confident that we are – that this is the right time for us. Obviously, you can never design these things ideally, but this was the right time for us and we’re excited to move ahead.
Theodore O’Neill
Okay. And on the balance sheet, if backlog continues to sort of stagnate here or not change very much, do you expect to see inventories and accounts receivable go down over time?
Farouq Tuweiq
So just maybe on the backlog comment, as you know, Theodore, historically, we have eight to 12 weeks, obviously, depends on the business, but let’s just call it a quarter worth of backlog. Today, we have roughly four quarters worth of backlog and partially it’s to all the complexities within the supply chain, elongated lead times and all that kind of things that have been happening in the last few years.
So our – I think our expectation would be some kind of levelization or maybe a little bit of return to potentially – my guess is not in the near term, but maybe it will come back a little bit below the four quarters. So as we think about where we are today, we’re seeing some of the management for some of the things that are scheduled, call it, late next year, Q4 2024.
So this is really more of the management of that supply chain, if you will, from a customer’s perspective. But we think fundamentally demand remains strong. On the inventory AR side, I think we expect our sales to continue to grow. I think the backlog may look little bit different. Inventory has gone more than we’d like it to be.
Partially, it is a flight to security on acquiring raw materials where maybe normally we wouldn’t do that and as Lynn said, we had $34 million we expected to ship out that all of a sudden not shipped in my inventory. So we do think a little bit of normalization of inventory will occur. It’s just really hard to figure out when and where, especially with the environment that we’re in still.
Theodore O’Neill
Okay. And thanks for the clarification on the backlog.
Farouq Tuweiq
Sure.
Theodore O’Neill
Thank you.
Farouq Tuweiq
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. The next question comes from Jim Ricchiuti from Needham & Co. Please proceed with your question, Jim.
Chris Grenga
Hi, good morning. This is actually Chris Grenga on for Jim. Could you talk a bit more about the drivers of the gross margin improvement and which contribution came from price and mix? And how do you think about the sustainability of gross margins at that level? You had mentioned the guide for Q – for the next quarter. And do you expect the consolidation efforts to have an impact on gross margins? Thank you.
Farouq Tuweiq
Maybe I’ll just address the high level of that. As Dan said, we’re focused on margins and there is going to be a series of initiatives and the alignment that we talked about here on the cost side is really to optimize our cost structure. So, our expectation there would be is that it would be contributory in a positive way to our profit margins.
So our expectation is, as Dan said, we’re not done yet, right? So our expectation is continued improvement and we’re liking the early signs. The improvement is going to come from, quite frankly, better mix of products as we pursue new products, ensuring that there is proper margin and customer alignment there and then also on kind of the cost side of it, which we start.
So it really has to be a multi-pronged approach and our perspective, change, I would say, is rarely linear. We like our linear path that’s been off for the last handful of quarters here. But from our expectation is we’re not done and continue the forward momentum.
I would say on the margins this quarter here and Lynn will elaborate on it, but kind of two things for the most part offset here is kind of the low margin PPV, which obviously is a detractor to our gross margin profit. But then also we were favorably impacted by FX but fundamentally, those two are kind of net in large. So Lynn, why don’t you give color on that?
Lynn Hutkin
Yes. So I – so just kind of delving into it by product group. On the connectivity side, the margin improvement there largely resulted from the rebounding in the Commercial Air business that we mentioned. So that has been depressed for several years in that rebounding, while it was a pressure on our margins as we got the additional workforce in and up to speed, the increase in that end-market is certainly helping us there.
In addition to our distribution end-market, that was across the board, across all three product groups was very strong this quarter. So that aided the margin expansion as well.
On the Power side, this was largely the efforts of the team over the past several quarters here with kind of rightsizing, pricing and there was some FX benefit in the Power group. We do have some manufacturing in China related to that group. And then, the other factors for the EV end-market, which continues to be small but is steadily increasing year-over-year that tends to be at a higher margin and our CUI business had a very strong quarter.
So those were kind of the main drivers on the Power side. And then magnetics, this is a business that would have had the most impacts related to favorable FX. The majority of that manufacturing is in China. But also included in that group is our Signal business and a lot of work has been done over the past couple of quarters taking a better look at that business, the profitability there and just kind of a renewed focus and so, that’s also contributing to the margin improvement for that business.
Chris Grenga
Great. Very helpful. Thank you. And with respect to the consolidation, what does that process, particularly in China, entail? And how are you thinking about minimizing disruption during that transition?
Farouq Tuweiq
Yes. So we have a site, and we’ve already hired an initial build-out crew. The site is already starting to get set up, and we already have not an insignificant amount of people there already.
The product that’s moving over from our facility is there is a lot of know-how and knowledge and quite frankly, pretty high-level engineering that goes into that product. So that’s going to the challenge is ensuring that we move it over without disruption. So I would say we are being extra careful here.
We have alignment internally and we’ve kind of set up various processes to ensure that. Obviously, also we have to work with our customers as we get qualified up that for the new site. So we’re – I’d say we’re being diligent and – but obviously, you know how these things go. Hope for the best and be ready for anything going sideways but as of right now we started this for a few months now more with a, let’s get a tactical crew of associates and so far, we like our chances.
But to your point, it also offers us the opportunity to potentially upgrade some equipment and also build some redundancy on some lines there for future expansion. So it really gives an opportunity to look at just the way we do everything and potentially lay out a more lean and efficient facility given we are spread out across nine buildings.
Now we’ll all be under one roof. So it’s really operational improvement that will be multipronged, quite frankly. So that’s why it’s really exciting for us.
Dan Bernstein
But in addition to that, it should be noted that we are very familiar with this area. We have about 1,200 people working in an area that understand the product line. Historically, for – we move mostly every 10 years on this product line because of the low labor – because of the labor content that you always have to be find the best labor you can throughout the world.
So again, I think the people have been very experienced in this. They work very hard and we do understand the area we’re moving into very closely and we spent a lot of time in consideration, as we mentioned looking at other areas like Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines and we still felt that China at this point was our best bet also being, as we mentioned close to our Vietnam where we do have a strong subcontract that we work very closely with.
Chris Grenga
Great. Thank you very much. And one more for me, if I may. With respect to the backlog, have you seen any signs of push outs or cancellations given the changing macro environment?
Dan Bernstein
Preorder in our backlog has been pretty strong, around $580 million for the past nine months. We do see occasionally push outs. But again, we don’t see any negative visibility of when lead times are going to come back to normal again. But I think everybody is kind of walking on eggshells also. We’ve never experienced this period for such a long time.
But again, things still from lost perspective still seem very positive from every area we deal with and as we mentioned we have the increase in commercial aerospace, that’s really building well for us also.
Farouq Tuweiq
Yes. And I think Dan said it here is, fundamentally, we think the demand in most of our end-markets in the near, mid and long term will be there. So we like the end-markets we’re playing in. So we – so even if we go through a little bit of management, if you will, like we’re saying on the magnetic side, we still fundamentally like the play – the areas where we’re playing within the customer’s work. So we feel that, fundamentally, we’re set out nicely here regardless of kind of a little it has in the backlog.
Chris Grenga
Great. Thanks very much and congrats on the strong quarter.
Farouq Tuweiq
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. The next question comes from Robert Morrison [Ph] from Morrison Asset Management. Please proceed with your question, Robert.
Unidentified Analyst
Thank you. Congratulations guys on a nice quarter. Welcome to your peer group returns in both sales profit margins and even that of the improved valuation. That’s very excellent. I am sure the shareholders are very appreciative.
Now that you’re sort of rolling up as a business from a profitability basis, is there any chance you would consider establishing public revenue and profit margin targets over a multi-year period in order to have some sense of visibility as to where this company can proceed over the next few years as the restructuring matures? Thank you.
Farouq Tuweiq
Yes. So, Robert, thanks for the question there. We have internal targets and metrics that we are working towards. In terms of putting them out there and providing guidance, I think the short of it is, we would like to, yes, it’s really a question of when and where we are right now with the multitude of ongoing initiatives with more to come, coupled with some of – a lot – call it a lot of the craziness in the world that we’re operating today and quite frankly getting ourselves internally aligned to provide a little bit more clarity in pinpointing where we want to go. So it’s a matter of when in our mind, but not it’s a matter of when.
Unidentified Analyst
Okay. Well, I would like to start with a bid of $1 billion sales targets since you’re not far from the $250 million quarterly runrate anyway.
Dan Bernstein
That was like cautious look – we- as we say since Farouq came to Bel, I think he has done a tremendous job to really focus on the margin more importantly. It’s a nice goal to have $1 billion, but without the proper margins, it doesn’t make sense to us any longer. And I think that’s our key focus is that we want really good revenue with really good margins.
I mean, again, we know how important top-line growth is, but for us, a little bit more important is the margin side of things.
Farouq Tuweiq
And as you know, Robert, right, the playbook has kind of evolved and changed and right now, we’re doing a lot of the margin improvement stuff and then once we set that at course and as we’re seeing our margins kind of going out there to your point, obviously, we are not sleeping on revenue growth. We are still focused on the hunting for business.
But it’s just we have a different potential lens that we’re applying to that today. So we share your aspirations of being a bigger company. We want to do it the right way in this time in this environment, where we’re kind of doing this and certainly, one other thing I would offer up is if you look at our profit that has gained in the last four quarters, let’s say, for example, EBITDA, if we have to go out there and buy this EBITDA it will cost us a lot more.
Here, we’re able to get internally for relatively low spend. So we still think there’s more to be gotten here on the cheap, if you will. But ultimately, yes, we are focused on growth in the long term, for sure.
Unidentified Analyst
Okay. Regarding R&D, it seems as though you could afford to spend a little more now that there is significantly more profitability in the business to further innovation and new product introduction. Last year, you guys talked about having a very high year in new product introductions. How is this year looking?
And are you comfortable with the amount of productivity and innovation you’re getting from the business as far as new product introductions and trying to maintain some pricing power with semi-proprietary features and technology?
Dan Bernstein
Again I think, again, from an R&D standpoint, increasing R&D, I don’t think we have to. I think each department of our three product groups have strong R&D. I think we are committed to NPI. I think our goal is almost to increase our NPI almost 50% by product group over the next three years.
We are doing a lot besides evolving product ourselves. We are looking at working with partners throughout the world to start with a private-label agreement. We realize that we don’t have to invent everything we sell. We have tremendous distribution channels that we can put product through.
The best example of that is EOS. So we felt that EOS had a great product that fit our niche very well, rounded out our power supply market. We had a – we were selling their products under our name for about three years. When they decided they wanted to sell, they came to us. They didn’t chopper around and we were able to pick up that business.
We feel for a very reasonable price based on our long-term relationship. So again, it’s — as much as we’re doing products, developing ourselves, we are committed to grow through private-labeling and increase our sales every way possible.
Unidentified Analyst
Okay. Thank you. And then one last question. As the company starts to – as this growth spurt perhaps starts to fade a bit to more normal levels and they call on the balance sheet and working capital is reduced and the company frees up cash, does the management team have any expectations of reentering the acquisition business and which areas of the market would you like to acquire, if so inclined?
Dan Bernstein
We never left the acquisition market. We’ve constantly looked at acquisitions. Today, we have 4 acquisitions of NDAs we have signed. We do believe that acquisitions are a key part of Bel’s growth going forward. And we’re not prejudiced. I think all three of our product groups look at areas where they can strengthen themselves and we will continue looking in those areas that who can give the best benefits to the company.
Unidentified Analyst
Alright. Thank you very much. Congratulations again on a good quarter.
Dan Bernstein
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Hendi Susanto from Gabelli Funds. Please proceed with your question, Hendi.
Hendi Susanto
Good morning, Dan, Farouq and Lynn, and then congrats on the strong results.
Dan Bernstein
Thank you.
Hendi Susanto
First question is for Farouq. Farouq, can you characterize how much price optimization have been completed and how much more to go?
Farouq Tuweiq
Good question. To answer, our revenue continuously changes. But if I were to kind of just throw a shot in the dark here, Dan, I don’t know if you agree, I’d say we still got another 30% to go maybe or call it 25%, 30% would be my uneducated guess. But we do know it is still meaningful to go and it is not reflected yet in our results.
So these are discussions that are happening in the background, have happened as contracts are coming up. So, I would say it’s not an insignificant amount that we still need to price optimize.
Hendi Susanto
And then, Farouq, when you said like 25% to 30%, is that based on the SKU or is that based on like total sales volumes?
Farouq Tuweiq
I would probably say, just if I were to kind of – but I’ll take my answer back to 20% or 25% then I’ll think of it as a revenue.
Hendi Susanto
Okay, yeah. And then, a question for Dan. So Dan, I think — so Bel Fuse has – you reported outstanding backlog and then record sales performance. On the other hand, I think we kept hearing concerns about inventory correction at customers, at distributors and then, while they may not be in the same markets, I think there is like – there is a growing concern about weaknesses like broadening in some areas. So how should we compare and contrast with those concerns and – but so like outlook for Bel Fuse?
Dan Bernstein
Based on all the data we have today and we hear those concerns in the marketplace, but we don’t see them. Based on our backlog, based on our customer relationships, based on the lead times we have from a majority of our semiconductor companies, we haven’t seen anything to make us panic, but the cliff is coming or if the cliff is going to come.
So at this point, we are very bullish on the company and what we see in the future. And again, as we mentioned that military and aerospace, which were laggards over the past three years, we only hear very positive strong things from the orders and from the sales people. So, again, that’s why I think that we are bullish at this stage.
Farouq Tuweiq
I’d say I’ll build up what Dan said. I kind of think about it more simply indeed. Our magnetics, power has been leading the way and connectivity business, we have ways to go. And we will get there because it has happened in our Power and Magnetic groups.
So our results, despite the records, is it’s – these have been delivered with, call it, two of our three segments leading the way. So, even if we see a little bit of weakness to Dan’s point, on those two, I’d say our Connective business is in the early stages of waking up and then as we look at beyond kind of the connectivity business, both on the revenue and margin side, we know what needs to be done there.
And then as we look at things like power, there are some very growing things in there. As we think of e-mobility, rail start to see some nice things as well, our distribution business. So back to one of the comments that always comes mind, that diversity of contribution and we’re doing this not with everybody running hot. So I think that should give folks comfort that we’re touching all three segments, work is being done in all three segments and we like our hand.
Dan Bernstein
And in addition to that, if you look at our – looking at the reports that we’re reviewing, our industry most people are falling within the 6% to 10% sales increase and we’re hanging at 20%. So we think that we are doing many things right and that our NPI strategy is right, how we focus is right. So we are getting a little, I’d say, cocky, maybe not cocky, but confidence that we haven’t had in the past based on a lot of the data that we’re reviewing at this moment.
Lynn Hutkin
And if I can just add, Hendi, to your question on backlog, while we are starting to see, particularly in magnetics, that to come down a bit, it’s important to note, it’s really the – it’s really a shortening of the length of the backlog that we’re seeing.
So for example, if someone has four quarters worth of orders on the books with us, maybe they only want to have three quarters on the books with us. So it’s that fourth quarter out that’s getting canceled at this point because they don’t want to have that level of purchase commitments open that far out. So it’s more of a shortening of the backlogs that we’re seeing right now and not an indication of the overall demand.
Hendi Susanto
I see. And then Dan, do you have any insight into the data center market including networking and IT infrastructure?
Dan Bernstein
Just from our opinion, that’s one of the areas that have been a very difficult area to be – to have the proper margins we want going forward. So for example, if you look at data centers, Facebook four or five years ago, it was a key customer of ours, and we decided to drop out of that business. So again, we hear – so from a data center standpoint, we’re a lot more exclusive in the customers we look at.
From networking, we do deal with a lot of major networking companies, and we do feel that the end-market is still very stable for us. The only problem that we have with the networking companies, like most industries, the problem is they can’t get the semiconductors in on a time. And based on that, they’re putting on some shipments on hold until they can get the semiconductors in.
And their inventory, so they have to right-size their inventories to make up for the lost semiconductors, what they thought they would be bringing in.
Hendi Susanto
I see, yes. And then, one more question. So in terms of manufacturing, footprint location, real estate assets and operational efficiency, would you be able to share what kind of metrics do you usually look into?
Farouq Tuweiq
Metrics for kind of where to decide to consolidate or open up a factory?
Hendi Susanto
Yes.
Farouq Tuweiq
Yeah. So I mean, it’s really nothing too significant, as Dan said, we’ve been in China for a very long time. And general labor availability, wages, real estate rents, right, so what’s your cost to operate, the other thing in China that’s very critical is, as you know, our Q1 generally tends to be a little bit weaker due to Chinese New Year where a lot of people come home and kind of the change and disruption and the migration patterns we saw during COVID.
So, one of the nice things about kind of this new facility is, you hit on a lot of those metrics, and one of the bonuses tends to be more of a local workforce. So we think it will minimize our turnover and as we onboard people, people there also to – a lot of them, I think, live in that area where we will be. So we think a lot of that is going to be positive for us.
And then also to advance that in this situation, we have not an insignificant contract partner in Vietnam. So getting closer there on the other side of the border, it could potentially open up interesting opportunities. So – and also the big overarching thing from my perspective is getting under one roof, designing a facility that’s meant to be a little bit more modern versus spread out across nine facilities is definitely no – nothing to sleep on and also, obviously, we are still close to a lot of the CNs that are customers transacting work with us.
So we’ll look at some of the same things as a pretty textbook and then obviously going to do things like square footage and what might needs for today and tomorrow, is there opportunity for expansion, we also look at employee headcounts. We look at potential automation upgrades that we’ve been doing here.
So, it really is a blank slate for us to draw a great facility and that’s something that we haven’t done for years because we’ve been in our current location, what, Dan, for 25 years – number of years. So the world has changed a little bit, and we are brewing a brand new building. So it’s a lot of the things that you think about why you would do this.
Hendi Susanto
Yeah, and then may I squeeze one more question? So with regard to the China zero COVID tolerance policy, I assume there was some impact in the last several months on Bel Fuse sales. So, what are puts and takes that we should think about, let’s say, when we are in the first half or first nine months of next year, so that we know how we should take into account that there was some impact of China lockdown in 2022?
Dan Bernstein
I don’t think there was any significant lockdown that affected the revenue. If we do have a lockdown, what did happen in the past year, because it was only a minor lockdown. We can make up the labor over the weekend or working longer days after the lockdown opened up. So we’ve been very fortunate not to be hit at all from a revenue standpoint.
Now going forward, they are very careful, and very watchful and they move much more aggressive in China than any other country in the world. If someone does come down with COVID, they do react very quickly. So we can’t predict the future, but we do have all the COVID protocols we put in place or remain in Hong Kong to make it as clean as possible a place to work in.
Farouq Tuweiq
I think the last one that we had was in March.
Lynn Hutkin
In March, yes. So we were locked down for – just for days.
Farouq Tuweiq
We had four days – like three, four days or something like that.
Lynn Hutkin
In March, so no impacts on the – in Q3.
Hendi Susanto
I see. Thank you so much. And then, great works and the congratulation again. Thank you.
Farouq Tuweiq
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. The next question comes from Robert Brooks from Brick by Brick Capital. Please proceed with your question, Robert.
Robert Brooks
Hey guys. Thanks for taking my question. Just wanted to congratulate you guys first on an excellent quarter.
Dan Bernstein
Thank you.
Robert Brooks
First question for Dan. You guys, you mentioned at the top of the call that the EBITDA margins are similar to what you guys were seeing in the mid-2000s. I was wondering, could you maybe give us a little more color on what is – what are the differences between the business now versus then? And obviously, there’s – the strategies that you guys have implemented over the past two years in terms of making the business more efficient, but maybe was it a bit different product mix back then what were the different things?
Dan Bernstein
I think the key thing we have to give – I hate to say it, but I have to give Farouq a lot of credit when he came on board two years ago to really refocus the company of where we have to be, to be successful. And it was my fault, I think we were too driven to be the $1 billion company from a revenue top-line point of position and maybe we took business in that we should have taken in.
So I think we took a substantial helpful from Farouq and then teams, have everybody to refocus on where we want to go and how to be strong that we felt initially we really had to evaluate every part of the business and mostly from a margin standpoint that where we’re selling, A, we had customers that really didn’t fit what we had to be and then we had SKUs that didn’t fit.
So, we spent a great deal of getting first, Farouq, working on the data of – so each group – each division manager can look very specifically at each partner to see it was in the red or green or orange levels and refocus our energy. And then we are – we are able with the long lead times where pricing did not become a factor where most of our customers today are really focused on delivering that pricing.
So that gave us a leeway to implement where we do have fair pricing that our customers are paying a fair amount for what we give them and I think that’s been the major change.
Farouq Tuweiq
I think from a product mix standpoint, correct me if I am wrong, is back in the mid-2000s, it was largely magnetics. We have the concentration on one product group but one….
Lynn Hutkin
Yes, sure. So back in the mid-2000s, we would have been about 80% magnetics, largely focused on the networking space heavily in China, largely China manufacturing at that point. So over the past 20 years, we’ve done a series of acquisitions, diversified our operational footprint. Our product groups were kind of born over that timeframe. So, just lots of moving parts and to Dan’s point, the revenue has been the primary focus over the years to build scale.
And margins were just not a focus for a period of time and since Farouq joined the focus has definitely turned back on to margins and that’s what we’re seeing today.
Robert Brooks
That answers us perfectly. Thanks guys. That’s all I had for today.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is a follow-up question from Robert Morrison [Ph] from Morrison Asset Management. Please proceed with your question, Robert.
Unidentified Analyst
Thanks. Thanks for the follow-up. Dan, a few quarters ago, we talked about the upside to the EV business and while it’s small and rapidly growing, it does seem to have potential to grow into a nice sized business in the next three to five years. Since about a year has passed, do you have any more insight into that business and how it might progress to the $50 million, $60 million, $70 million revenue level over the next few years? Thank you.
Dan Bernstein
So, I think we’re putting money into that business. It’s a key area also for us from an acquisition standpoint. We do believe that it should become a $70 million business and what we’d hope in five years possibly $100 million business. So, again, I think we’re doing all the right things. Initially, we were using for North America we’re using a rep network to sell to many different customers.
But for this particular product, because of the unique designs and so forth, we hired a direct person for North America and a worldwide global manager. So, yes, we do think it’s probably one of our major growth areas in the company.
Unidentified Analyst
Thank you.
Operator
Robert, does that concludes your question?
Unidentified Analyst
Yes.
Operator
Thank you so much. At this time, we have no further questions. I would now like to turn the conference back to Dan Bernstein for closing remarks. Thank you sir.
Dan Bernstein
So, once again, thank you for joining us today and we’re looking forward to continue this momentum and hopefully, this is just the beginning, as Farouq likes to say. Have a good day.
Operator
Thank you. The conference has now concluded. Thank you very much for attending today’s presentation and you may now disconnect your lines.
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